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US deserters in Canada – for how long?

Friday 13 June 2008

40 years after Vietnam, a new generation of Americans is hiding out in Canada to avoid fighting in Iraq. They await a key decision by their Canadian hosts. (Report: Mary MacCarthy, Johan Bodin)

Special Report   FRANCE 24 Special reports

Friday 13 June 2008

The rate of desertion from the US armed forces has been rising every year since the start of the Iraq war in 2003. Most deserters remain in the United States, hiding out from police. But some choose exile.

 

An estimated 200 US deserters are living in Canada. Forty or so have joined up with a group of Canadian activists called “War Resisters”, which does not see the former soldiers as deserters, but rather as resisters to a war they consider unjust. The group includes many so-called “draft-dodgers”, the 50,000 Americans who moved to Canada 40 years ago to avoid being sent to Vietnam.

 

Many of the deserters have asked for refugee status, but have had their requests turned down by Canada’s Immigration Board – and their appeals to the Canadian Supreme Court have also been rejected. Immigration Minister Diane Finlay justifies the rejections on grounds that the Americans were not drafted but volunteered for service.

 

The deserters have been in the spotlight in recent weeks because one of them, a 25-year-old native of Indiana named Corey Glass, has been issued a deportation order saying he must leave Canada by June 12 (a date later changed to July 10).

 

Corey joined the National Guard hoping to do humanitarian work, but ended up being sent to Iraq to work in military intelligence. To his critics, who call him naïve, he says military recruiters deceived him: “Maybe they should start training their recruiters better in the military – to tell the truth. Because then they'll get people who actually agree with what they're doing, as opposed to guys who get there and are like 'Whoa, wait a minute, this isn't what they told me I'd be doing at all'. If it's such a great organisation, why do they have to trick people into joining it?”

 

The deserters are a heterogeneous group. Kevin Lee, 26 years old and a New York native, spent a full year on the front lines – where he decided the Iraq war was based on false premises. Chuck Riley, 37, served in the navy for 17 years before deserting because of what he calls a callous lack of concern for the lives of Iraqi civilians.

 

Glass’s deportation order has disheartened many of the deserters. But they are not without hope: Canada’s opposition parties have succeeded in getting a motion supporting the deserters before parliament. The motion states that Canada should be a haven to all soldiers refusing to participate in a war not authorized by the United Nations.

 

  • 26/07/2008 19:19:42 Alert a moderator

    Deserters

    The United States of America is a nation founded by deserters. The people that put their signatures on the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution deserted the tyranny of the old British Crown. I'm sure they were called cowards and people of low moral fiber by the members of their home country for many years. This is how it has been and will always be. Any time a person stands up for his belief against a majority, he/she will encounter opposition. This is expected and the former US soldiers brave enough to desert should pay it no mind. It is the coward that continues doing what he's told without regard to conscience, that continues killing who he's told to kill arbitrarily, and that never challenges the powers that be for fear of exile.

    Many of these former US Soldiers signed a contract in good conscience expecting the same level of moral fiber and state of conscience from those that drafted the contract. They expected that when the end of their service term arrived, that they would be let free as they were led to believe. They expected those that drafted the contract to be good to their word, to their legacy, and to all the things right and free that they were brought to believe in. When they found out that was not the case, they had every right to leave. You must understand, these former US Soldiers did not break their contract. They left because their contract was broken by the powers that be. A contract only has weight if it is upheld by both parties. If one ceases to uphold it, then it becomes null and void and the other party is free from any further obligation. At this point, if these former US soldiers are pursued by authorities, it can no longer be considered pursuit for desertion. It then becomes pursuit by a tyrannical government to maintain an immoral control and dismantle freedom. This is the same pursuit for which those men that founded the United States of America fought against. If one really wishes to be a patriot to the founding principles of the US and to honor those men that died defending us against the old British Crown, then today we must fight the same tyranny as well. And just as that tyranny came from our founding father's home government over 200 years ago, so does it come from our home government today.

    Fighting for freedom does not mean doing what you're told or reciting superfluous patriotic preambles instilled within us since nursery school. It means to fight for what's right without respect of persons, organizations, or governments.

  • 02/07/2008 18:04:39 Alert a moderator

    Problems

    The problem is that these young people committed themselves to perform certain actions, during a pre-determined period of time, knowing perfectly well that this entailed a loss of certain civil rights. If they have made that choice and signed a legal contract with the army they have to respect that contract. On the other hand US rectuiters should be more open and informative and not attempt to trick people into joining the army. Consent (the basis of a contract) only makes sense if both parties know what contract they are entering into. Clearly these young people let themselves be deceived. It should be the job of the US army not only yo ensure that recruiters are honest but also that people enlisting in the army are fully aware of the consequences of teh decision tehy are making. This is because we are dealing here with the lives of valuable young people: government should care whether they know what they are doing in such grave decisions.

  • 24/06/2008 18:41:24 Alert a moderator

    Missing Canadian Pride

    Let's reverse the situation for a moment. Suppose an equal number of cowards or desereters were to abandon their commitment, their oath, and their Canadian homeland and relocate in the United States because they didn't agree with the policies of their government after they voluntary enlisted into military service. What would happen? Would Canada say, "Poor souls, we forgive them, and will take them back with open arms and if they return soon - all pay and allowances will be reinstated with back pay." OR maybe the MP might have their pictures and go looking for them. Especially those with access to classified information or knowledge of classified material? I am quite sure Canada wouldn't say, "All is forgiven - you have amnesty - and have a good time". I am quite sure Canada would have to do something because the next time someone had guard duty, or had to deploy on a ship for 6 months, or peel potatoes, or had a headache and decided that I CAN GO WHEN I WANT BECAUSE CANADA DOES NOTHING AND WILL LET US GO WHEN WE WANT. I wonder how strong their national defense would be? I would be willing to bet that without authority, control, rules & regulations, and national pride - Canada might be speaking 100% Russian or Spanish. I just wonder what Canada would say.......................................................

  • 24/06/2008 03:28:40 Alert a moderator

    It's not a Draft

    I don't understand why anyone who did not want to go to war would JOIN any army. These people deserve a fair hearing but they can't seem to explain away the fact that they made a commitment to serve in an army. They were not drafted, they had a choice. Canada is a nation not a dumping ground for disgruntled US troops.

  • 18/06/2008 21:42:55 Alert a moderator

    Heroes,Not deserters

    Not only the the MPs but most of the Candadians support those soldiers who are coming into Canada, As a Canadian I support them whole heartedly in their noble decision to leave, not only that it is an illegal war they are not even doing what they claim , they are getting Iraqi's to fight with one another, create chaos and instabilty under the pretext of helping them , if they were really trying to help the population in Iraq that could be a bit of justification , I salute them and I want them to feel welcome in Canada and not even feel guilty for being courageous and noble .Prime minister in Canada behaves like an inferior friend of bush and he can do anything to please Bush and he should not be allowed to go against the majority in Canada

  • 18/06/2008 05:07:59 Alert a moderator

    US deserters in Canada

    Not only did you take an oath, you signed a contract when you joined the military. By deserting you evaded a moral obligation and a legal obligation.

    Those who profess to be people of conscience need to stand and face the consequences. There are avenues for requesting conscientious objector status. Two of my friends requested CO status and received discharges in the mid 1970s. They stated that their moral views had changed as they got older. But they went through the proper channels. They stood and defended their beliefs on home soil.

  • 17/06/2008 23:48:07 Alert a moderator

    Canada should welcome U.S. army deserters

    If an Italian soldier from Mussolini's army abandoned his force and deserted would he be wrong? If a member of the Wehrmacht in 1940 deserted during the invasion of France, should he be punished for his actions? If a Soviet soldier deserted during the 1956 Hungarian Uprising, would he be considered a traitor? If U.S. armed forces deserted during the illegal U.S. invasion of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia who could blame them for desertion?

    All this should be considered before rushing to judgment of U.S. deserters. After all Canada welcomed Benedict Arnold the deserter in 1780 and afforded him asylum. So why should any U.S. deserter be treated any different? A soldier in any army, when ordered to commit murder of civilians should have the right to refuse and desert immediately. That is whay is called common sense, and I hope that present Harper regime in Canada has common sense enough to know right from wrong.

    The present war in Afghanistan and Iraq are both illegal and must not be encouraged.

  • 17/06/2008 17:05:13 Alert a moderator

    Retired and Proud I Served With HONOR

    I am a husband, a father, a tax payer, and a retired veteran. There are times in life when people must stand for what they believe in - or - they will fall for anything! If a person signs the contract for military service they are obligated and held accountable. The woman stated that they have the right to change their mind. If I enter into a contract for marriage and 2 years down the road "I change my mind" I suppose that is alright? Suppose my wife gives birth to a "learning impaired child" or "mentally retarded child" then I guess I have the right to "change my mind". Maybe that is the root of the problem within our society where our word doesn't count for anything anymore. Today people change husbands and wives faster than they cut their grass. The most perfect example of integrity and honesty was when the "SS" rounded up the Jews during WW-II and each of them was asked of their religion. They had the choice to "change their mind" and say any other religion in the world but they said, "Juden". What is sad about this situation is there are people in the USA who think they deserve certain things and are entitled to them - while there are others who are smart enough to know the difference. Some of them are smart enough to understand a situation before they raise their hand and take an oath or sign their name to a contract or leave for basic training - or was it the incentive for free college? Did they want a free education without doing anything to get it. If they were drafted against their will then that's one thing but, to volunteer and enlist then intentional AWOL. What strong moral fiber is missing from parental instruction during their early years? Were they a Cub Scout or Boy Scout? Did they take that oath? After High School I enlisted right when Viet Nam was at its peak. I took an oath and gave my word. That meant something to me and I stood for all the generations of family before me who put on the uniform. I am a man of my word. I have taught and instilled that into my children. My son elisted in the Army. I am an American and I earned that right. I took an oath and raised my hand and did it multiple times in my military career during different conflicts of the world. If I were a parent and my son or daughter went AWOL to Canada because they "changed their mind" I would be asking myself, "What did I do wrong? Where did I fail them? Which lesson of moral fiber or being did I omit? and If they, through their actions, are correct then why do they need defending?" There has never been a popular war and a less popular President who involves us in one. Only three words come to mind for those who left after they swore an oath and an enlistment contract and they are
    cowardice, desertion, and UCMJ.

  • 17/06/2008 05:19:37 Alert a moderator

    US deserters in Canada

    The retired military person is showing ignorance in his comments. These young men and women are not robots and have the right to change their minds. You can't tell us as Americans we have all of these freedoms and then threaten us with jail when we attempt to exercise them, that is rediculous. In order to put my life on the line for something I have to believe in it intensely or love it tremendously. If I am tricked or not given all of the facts, that makes it impossible for me to make an informed decision and I am being cheated of that right. I have seen some of the trickery and deception as well as halp and partial truths that are told in order to get a signature and another recruit. I think it is disturbing that America can pardon criminals but will treat these young men and women as if they are worse. Isn't it better that they know this is how they feel and do something about it before they are sent on the ront lines of a was and have others depending on them to kill or be killed? The question the American government should be asking is if they should force people to be in the military that do not feel they have it in them or respect the fact that they know their capabilities and let them bow out so as not to allow someone to suffer by forcing them into a situation they do not think they can handle. What a country, murderers get loose on technicalities but these men and women are criminals for changing their minds once they are fully aware of their situation. Warms my heart to see how other countries are told how welcome their people are in America when some Americans are not even given the benefit of the doubt.

  • 15/06/2008 03:59:00 Alert a moderator

    unjust war

    You can not blame anyone for not fighting an unjust war that is just bush's personal war game.
    I think there should be no question that they should be allowed to stay. It's nice to see some people still stand up for what they believe in.

  • 14/06/2008 16:51:21 Alert a moderator

    You took an oath.........

    You took an oath to support and defend...... and during your tour of duty you are assigned KP duty. If you don't want to do it will you run to Canada? You didn't sign up for KP duty but it goes with the job. You took an oath. Rotational MP duty. You didn't sign up for it but it goes with the job. You took an oath. Each man must draw his own line in the sand and that line represents integrity, loyalty, dedication, honor, pride, and patriotism. Employers as well as Nations know and understand the integrity of a person by his history and that determines if future generations and relatives will use words like unreliable, unemployed, deserter, and coward. If I were Canada, I wouldn't want you - you are not a man of your word - you can't be trusted. Draw the line - go home! Be a Man!

  • 14/06/2008 09:49:41 Alert a moderator

    Let them Stay

    "Corey joined the National Guard hoping to do humanitarian work" What kind of humanitarian work was he going to do in Indiana as an military intelligence officer?

    Let them stay with the proviso they never return and forget they were ever our countrymen.


 

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