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Muslim woman denied French citizenship for 'radical' practice

























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How can we reject Muslims like that?
I am totally for equality of the sexes. I am and believe in it. I want my wife, mum, sister, and daughter, among others, to have the same rights that I enjoy. However, how can we make such a cultural and religious judgment? What we may see as "bad" isn't nevecssarily "bad" for someone else. Why are we so quick to judge? The rejection of her citizenship application is horrible, and I would say the same thing if the United States rejected someone based upon those grounds, too. Where do we draw the line? Would we truly think it is okay if other countries stopped us from becoming citizens because we are Christians . . or Jews . . . Buddhists . . . Hindus . . . Jedi Knights? "Live and let live" is the philosophy I try to live by. This ruling is a true shame and shows how shallow we can be as human race. I officially decry this as a human rights violation!
Nice to See France Start to Stand Up
It is very good to see France start to stand up and defend its culture. France has a right to preserve its rich culture and a right to demand that people that come to the country assimilate to that culture - within reason.
If Muslims want to come to France and live a life that they held in say - Saudi Arabia, that is not acceptable. You would not allow someone to come to your home and spray paint your walls the way they like because that is what "works for them". Cultures that promote oppression and inequality have no place in western society.
Good for you France. Keep it up and take it to the next level if required. There is a difference between a doormat and a welcome mat. Europe as a whole needs to start to respect its historic culture and make immigrants respect it - or leave.
and to Lochak...
indeed, Mr Lochak, if a man who has been charged for beating his wife applies for citizenship, then he should be denied..unless you consider violence against women a minor and acceptable crime...
niquab in france
who cares if it's her "choice"? A choice dictated by brainashing and conditioning since she was a baby is not a choice. And the discussion cannot remain at the level of whether it's a choice or not anyway, the discussion must be elevated to what wearing the garnment represents, for her and for all women: submission. The wearing of the niquab (or the veil also for that matter) is not acceptable in a western country where our mothers and grandmothers have fought for us to have equal rights, we fought our battles, you can't come to our country and bring us 200 years back, if you want to stay here, you need to respect our values, if you can't do that, you have no right whatsoever to bring us back to submission, so stay in a country that will allow it, if you can't give it up.
I love when you speaks about freedom
I really love when Europeans speak about freedom in the same paragraph where they speaks about denying the freedom of Muslims,
Its her personnel choice to do not show her body to the people of France to enjoy.
Please tell me by statistic how your system give any value to women where it is considered as product for sale, plastic, toy.
To sale a care you need women to stand by it, and to sale a house you need one, and to sale a pen you need almost naked women to tempt male.
If the women do not get naked and spend 30 minutes minimum in front of her mirror with her makeup box she do not have any place in your community.
I really feel sorry for your women that are really lost. And the only aim of the European male is to get her naked by telling her "feel free in your skin" or "do you rally love your body"
Its just a wolfs that want easy victims.
But our Muslims lady are not that cheap for you, they are expensive, diamonds this is why they are so covered and with high security surrounding them, jewellery.
Not as cheap as yours that you can get one just by dancing for 2 minutes by her and tell her you are pretty.
Think deeply and you will find who is more free, the women that no one adjudge her by her look, or the one that you can buy with cup of beer.
"Is a burqa incompatible with French nationality?"
No, it is not.
Neither the veil or the burqa have any place in France. This is a free country with its own set of values built up over centuries. These values are not there to be devalued by anybody, least of all somebody from a totally different cultural background who shows not the slightest inclination to participate in life in France.
Where an individual's beliefs and cultural background is in conflict with French values, the remedy is not to try and change France. It is for them to excersise their freedom to leave France for whatever part of the world their beliefs and values are consistent with. That way both parties needs are totally satisfied.
Re:Muslim woman denied French citizenship for 'radical' practice
What is her purpose to live in France? Have children and sit at home? She has exhibited no interest since moving to France in participating in French culture. She has limited herself to a Moroccan way of life in France…wouldn’t she be much free to do that in morocco…I am not anti Muslim, or anti immigrant, I am myself an immigrant in the usa and has benefited greatly from being here, but I have immersed myself in the American way and I am sure my skin color will not be so welcomed in France but the point of this is that this woman is not contributing anything to the French society…she is not trying to improve on her life post morocco, she is just having children, if God forbid her husband should die and she is left alone, How will she be able to take care of her children? She would take from the state as she wont be able to get a job…. if she was born in France then it is her right to be, but it is also France’s right to CHOOSE who they want in their country…it was USA and not France who said send me your tired, weak, blah blah…France is xenophobic yes, they even reject jobs to the people from their west Indian French departments, if Sarkozy could annex Martinique and Guadeloupe from French territory, I am sure he would and many in France would not complain and happily join in celebrating this..but it is France’s right to accept who becomes citizen or reject… How will this woman participate in liberty, fraternity and equality? She rejects fraternity, She does not socialize with French people of non Muslim faith, She does not try to get to know the French people who she wants to join, being fluent in French is not the only reason to become French, I know many in Americans who are fluent in French, very familiar with French culture, who if land in Paris today and by tonight would be able to navigate French society but they are not French citizens. She rejects liberty, She separates herself from central French society, she actually lives un French as she chooses not to freely move around, she does not make a decision unless by her male family members and she rejects equality, by presenting herself as in equal, she listens only to her family members, she submits to them, don’t value her own opinions…so the bottom-line she rejected herself from French society before they did…if a western woman move to for e.g. Saudi Arabia, as a woman she has to give up all her western freedom, if she refuses to change and attempt to drive a car, she would be arrested, her husband will have to give her permission to travel or travel with her…if she challenges this she would be asked to leave and everyone would criticize her by saying she knew the culture why did she migrate there…I say to this woman, if she wants to be somewhere to live freely as a Muslim wearing a burqua, she can stay in morocco, move to other Muslim states…there she can be free to not be free, there are people dying everyday trying to get from sub Sahara Africa to get the economical, social freedom which this woman has rejected in france..Many girls who will really use that freedom to educate themselves, women from Asia, south America and many other places.