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France hints at EU sanctions against defiant Russia

Thursday 28 August 2008

France's Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said the EU was considering imposing sanctions against Russia. It plans to discuss Georgia at a summit on Monday.

Thursday 28 August 2008

Russia lashed out at the West on Wednesday for ratcheting up tensions in the Black Sea with an increased NATO naval presence, and warned against isolating Moscow over the conflict in Georgia.

The Group of Seven industrial powers meanwhile strongly condemned Russia's recognition of the Georgian rebel regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia on Tuesday, saying it called into question Moscow's commitment to peace and security in the Caucasus.

"We reassert our strong and continued support for Georgia's sovereignty within its internationally recognized borders and underline our respect and support for the democratic and legitimate government of Georgia as we pursue a peaceful, durable solution to this conflict," they said.

The seven nations -- Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States -- deplored Russia's "excessive use of military force" and occupation of parts of Georgia, and called on Moscow to pull back its troops to behind pre-conflict lines.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy spoke by telephone with his Georgian and Russian counterparts, pursuing diplomatic efforts to ease the crisis in the Caucasus.

In a statement, the Elysee Palace said Sarkozy "underlined the urgent neccessity to lower tension and to fully apply the six points of the ceasefire agreement" that the French leader brokered earlier this month.

Amid a continuing war of words with Moscow, Tbilisi said it was downgrading diplomatic ties.

In Tbilisi late Wednesday, the secretary of the Georgian national security council, Alexander Lomaia, told AFP that Russian troops would leave the key Black Sea port of Poti "tomorrow (Thursday) or after tomorrow at the latest."

They would do so, he said, "as a result of international pressure." No confirmation of such a move was forthcoming from the Russian side.

Russian officials said earlier Wednesday they were taking extra measures to monitor a growing NATO naval presence in the Black Sea, as the second of three US ships sent to deliver aid arrived in Georgia.

Moscow has accused the West of using aid shipments as a cover for rearming Georgia after the Russian military's surge into Georgia earlier this month left much of the Georgian military in tatters.

"Certainly some measures of precaution are being taken," said a spokesman for Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Peskov. "It's not a common practice to deliver humanitarian aide using battleships."

A senior Russian general, Anatoly Nogovitsyn, pointed to an international convention of 1936 limiting shipping levels in the Black Sea and warned the NATO presence could not continue indefinitely.

And in a reminder of Russia's energy muscle, Putin's spokesman warned against trying to isolate Moscow as punishment for Russia's decision to recognise Abkhazian and South Ossetian as independent nations.

"Any attempts to jeopardise this atmosphere of cooperation... would not only (have) a negative impact for Russia but will definitely harm the economic interests of those states," Peskov said.

Russia moved its own naval forces to the Abkhaz port of Sukhumi, where they got a rapturous reception from Abkhaz leader Sergei Bagapsh, who downed a toast from an ornate drinking horn with Russian officers.

On a visit to Ukraine, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said the West was not interested in a new Cold War. He added that Russian President Dmitry Medvedev had "a big responsibility not to start one."

Back in Georgia, Foreign Minister Eka Tkeshelashvili said Tbilisi was consulting with Western powers on how to respond to "Russia's aggression and illegal actions," after President Mikheil Saakashvili accused Russia of trying to "wipe Georgia from the map."

Tkeshelashvili told AFP that Tbilisi was pulling all but two of its diplomats from its embassy in Moscow, leaving only one senior diplomat -- not an ambassador -- and one low-ranking diplomat.

In the Georgian port of Batumi, the second of three ships sent by Washington arrived with aid for some of the 100,000 people estimated to have been displaced in the conflict in South Ossetia and in other areas entered by Russian troops and accompanying irregular militias.

Moscow argues that it recognised Abkhazia and South Ossetia to protect the local inhabitants after Russian forces poured into Georgia earlier this month to repel a Georgian attack on the latter region.

The stand-off has part of its roots in the dispute over Kosovo, whose declaration of independence from Serbia last February was supported diplomatically by the United States and many EU member states, but opposed by Moscow.


 

  • 03/09/2008 18:29:18 Alert a moderator

    Cod War Again?

    Russia cannot, will not , and probably should not not, sit by idly as the rest of the world continues to expand their spheres' of influence. A stronger China, changes in Middle East powers, and a new US attitude of external activism threaten the morale and nature of Russia's place in the world. Evenn as a hawkish American, I can see how they may feel after going from the #2 superpower to a country in disarray and diminishing global effectiveness to affect policies of other nations. If they follow a path of renewed nationalism and desire for greater unity with its former republics I see no other result than a cold war mentality. Except this time new major engaged powers like China will complicate matters further.

  • 03/09/2008 17:14:18 Alert a moderator

    A New Cold War?

    You know, I find politicians motives so transparent on times. The once-strong US economy has gone from bad to much worse on Bush's watch. So - 'It's an old trick but it may just work!?!'. Divert attention abroad - to 'an enemy without'. In this case - Russia. Russia is an old adversary still the object of mistrust and suspicion in the West ... 'Let's rattle the old Bear's cage!'. First, by encouraging countries like Poland and little Georgia to join NATO. Then we can site some missiles on Polish soil. A defence system aimed at? Why, Iran of course!
    Having cosied up to these states, knowing of Russia's suspicion of them, when an emboldened Georgia sends troops into disputed territories and Russia retaliates, NATO backs the foolish Georgian President. Russia is, of course, in the wrong and the Bear can be goaded just a little more.
    This political chess game puts us all at risk. Brown & co are foolish to go along with it. We have enjoyed peaceful and thawing relations with the Russian Federation since the demise of the old Soviet Union. We (that is Europe) need to keep Russia on side in order to safeguard energy supplies for the forseeable future. Successive, incompetent governments have left us at the mercy of foreign suppliers, including the Arabs and now possibly the Russian Federation. There has always existed the possibility of alternative methods of providing energy but the stranglehold of fossil-fuel suppliers has remained in place due to the complacency of politicians.
    What is needed in Europe is a sort of buffer-zone with the countries bordering the RF kept neutral. The neutrality of Poland would mean the American missiles would have to be sited elsewhere. There must be somewhere equally suitable? In the meantime we have to continue, even redouble efforts to head off Iran's 'nuclear threat'.
    By the by, the transparency of politicians can also be observed in the McCain camp (Perhaps he thought his chips were down?) (Sorry - British in-joke!). Fans of Hilary Clinton defect to the GOP because they want a woman in the White House. You can almost hear the cry falling from the old guy's lips: 'They want a woman! Find me a woman! Any woman! Governor of where? Ok, ok, she'll do!

  • 03/09/2008 16:39:42 Alert a moderator

    Russian?Georgian conflict

    I do not believe that a cold war will be in the interest of Russia or the Europeans/USA. Unfortunately, the Europeans have again allowed USA government to dictate their strategy and leadership and they have again followed blindly. The concern of Russia is not a European one but a USA and it is about world domination. USA should not be allowed to put their missiles in Poland or in any of the Baltic countries. We must not forget what happened when Russia tried putting missiles in to Cuba, USA was determined it would not happened to the extent of causing a war. Those Baltic countries that were previously part of the Russian Empire should be allowed to become part of the EEC but not part of NATO as they will be used by the USA to further its own stronghold on Russia. Again we are witnessing a repeat of the Iraqui invasion in USA interest in oil and not in the people. Where there is no oil USA does not have the same motivation to intervene. Europeans should not allowed USA to bully them into these unpleasant situations. USA should be seen as another partner of equal strength. The former USA President, Bill Clinton said recently " people are more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power". I believe that the majority of people in USA do not support the present administration in seeking world dominance but wish to live in peace and harmony with the rest of the world. There are many other humanitarian causes that USA government could use its might to support, such as world poverty, world hunger and diseases, but it has been more talking than action. I am glad to think that not all USA people

  • 03/09/2008 16:34:43 Alert a moderator

    Russia/Georgia

    There will never be another cold war. The next one will be the Warm War. Global warming don't you know. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Russia is wrong. Muslim extremism is wrong. You either stand up and fight or get your butt kicked. You can disagree but that doesn't change anything. Evil exists in this world. We must fight evil or it will destroy us. Like it or not this world will never be perfect. Perfection will be achieved in the next life. Fight evil with all you have. Never give up. Never give in. Great people(nations) find a way to succeed. Weak nations (people) become targets. Stand and fight or cower in the cover. If you are scared say you are scared. We (USA and Allies) will eventually come to your defense.

  • 03/09/2008 16:34:01 Alert a moderator

    Russian?Georgian conflict

    I do not believe that a cold war will be in the interest of Russia or the Europeans/USA. Unfortunately, the Europeans have again allowed USA government to dictate their strategy and leadership and they have again followed blindly. The concern of Russia is not a European one but a USA and it is about world domination. USA should not be allowed to put their missiles in Poland or in any of the Baltic countries. We must not forget what happened when Russia tried putting missiles in to Cuba, USA was determined it would not happened to the extent of causing a war. Those Baltic countries that were previously part of the Russian Empire should be allowed to become part of the EEC but not part of NATO as they will be used by the USA to further its own stronghold on Russia. Again we are witnessing a repeat of the Iraqui invasion in USA interest in oil and not in the people. Where there is no oil USA does not have the same motivation to intervene. Europeans should not allowed USA to bully them into these unpleasant situations. USA should be seen as another partner of equal strength. The former USA President, Bill Clinton said recently " people are more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power". I believe that the majority of people in USA do not support the present administration in seeking world dominance but wish to live in peace and harmony with the rest of the world. There are many other humanitarian causes that USA government could use its might to support, such as world poverty, world hunger and diseases, but it has been more talking than action. I am glad to think that not all USA people

  • 03/09/2008 16:07:06 Alert a moderator

    New Cold War

    Time for the West to reduce their reliance on Russian oil and gas supplies.The Russian Government cannot be trusted, and there will be little or no compromise in any dealings with them.

  • 03/09/2008 11:35:19 Alert a moderator

    Conflict in Georgia created by the Bush regime

    There is absolutely no doubt that the Georgian crisis was deliberately created to give the Republican contender for the presidency the advantage, but it backfired, because the Russians acted quickly.

    What the idiot in the White House thought was that Russia would be too slow to deal with the situation, but as usual George W. Bush got it wrong. Russia was ready for any eventuality and got the upper hand against the forces of the U.S. satrap Mikheil Saakashvili, a failed New York City lawyer. Now that the fats in the fire, we will see the next move of the maniac in the White House and his coterie of corporative friends.

  • 03/09/2008 10:23:18 Alert a moderator

    Russia - Georgia reaction

    "One day the great powers will become friends - Their great power will be seen to increase - the new land (USA) will be at the height of its power - to the man of blood (Bin Laden) the number is reported. The two will not remain allied for long" Not my words but those of Nostradamus. He saw it coming - what a shame Putin and Bush are not clever enough to prove him wrong.

  • 01/09/2008 05:41:21 Alert a moderator

    Wake Up People

    Okay everyone, let me just say that the time has come for the world to wake up and smell the blood. There IS a new war going to take place. In fact, there will be numerous war efforts taking place all over the world. Just watch and see. As for Russia building up forces in Georgia, well let me just state that they are making moves into the Mediterranean, becoming closer chums with Iran, and probably exchanging weapons for oil, making them together, a very powerful world contender. Then you have China giving props to Russia for going into Georgia, and taking it back as their own. I'm telling you, very soon the Middle East, Russia, everyone is gonna stand up and just start shooting crap into the air.

  • 28/08/2008 00:31:27 Alert a moderator

    A chance for peace

    The race is on
    Mutually assured destruction
    Is time running out?
    http://www.thebulletin.org/

  • 28/08/2008 15:41:05 Alert a moderator

    russia

    Russia is a long time friend of India,i am sure the indian people will stand by russia and if push became shove china will stand by russia.it is time the west learn dictating and threating nations dosnt work.dialogue and intelligence will.

  • 28/08/2008 11:02:16 Alert a moderator

    Freedom of speech my a**

    What happens to the interview of the Abkhazia president on this web ? Where is the freedom of speech you have been crying for in China, Russia, Zimbaboue North Korea? Shame on the west.

  • 28/08/2008 10:29:59 Alert a moderator

    giving back what is not rightfully theirs?

    In response to Daniel D Martin saying Russia should give back what is not rightfully theirs, the same goes for Georgia; Abkhazia and South Ossetia were never part of Georgia proper, Abkhazia was incorporated into Georgia by Lavrentiy Beria, with the help of Stalin. Abkhazia is not rightfully Georgia's, and the sooner Georgia renounces it's claim to what is not rightfully Georgia's, the better for everyone.

  • 28/08/2008 02:12:20 Alert a moderator

    Better than Saakavishvili

    Even though the questions were not fair, this leader anwsered them in a political way. Saakashvilli is always out of topic. I wander where he get his law degree from. All you hear from Saakashvilli is , "this is what we are talking about, this is what we are talking about" but nothing concret. Saakashvili speaks street english. His french don't be impressed ,it is broken.This Abkhazian leader proves he is a smart leader. Saakashvili even denied the were Russian in those territoeies. He claimed that Russian bruoght those people to occupie his country. Saakashvili's claim proves he is not the wost leader on earth. Who could pretend to lead people he denied existence ? This West should sacrifie Saakashvili for peace in the world. Send Saakashvili to the international criminal court for war crimes and have Russia engaged in Afganistan. Abkhazie leader proves his leadership. Judge his response for yourself. Smart leader Sergei Bagapsh

  • 28/08/2008 01:25:31 Alert a moderator

    RUSSIA IN THE 21ST CENTURY

    Russian goverments must come to terms with the reality of its forced anexation of GermanKoningsberg(Kaliningrad) area and Japanese Kuriles islands
    They really have more togain in safe technological investment and good relations than to loose by giving back what is absolutibly not theirs
    We hope Putin can arrive to this conclution as well

  • 28/08/2008 01:11:47 Alert a moderator

    KOSOVO AND OTHER SEPARATIST MOVEMENTS

    There is no place for a comparation of the breakup of former Yugoslavia and declaration of independence of Kosovowith the two provinces of Georgia. Kosovo became independet as the result of breakup of former Yugoslavia that came as a result of the attempts of the butcher of the Balkans to create e Greater Serbia and destroy Yugoslavia. The independence of Kosovo came after Milosevic killed more than 400.000 citizens of Yugoslavia by attaking first Slovenia than Croatia, Bosnia and Hercegovina than Kosovo. Soccre fields were fiilled with graves, the old city of Dubrovnik was under seige for three months, Sarajevo for four years, Vukovar for three months, more than 8000 muslim men have been killed in Srebrenica, more than 1000000 (one milion) Albanians deported from Kosova. Thanks to intervention of NATO this war did not go beyond boundaries of former Yugoslavia. Milosevic was a threat to regional peace and security -he was the Hitler of Balkans. Under this condition no one wanted to live with Serbia: Albanians, Bosnians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrians, Slovenians etc. It is my opinion that today's Russia is using its Russian national minorities in "near abroad" countries "to protect" them with only goal to destabilize those countries the same way as Milosevic wanted to "protect" Serbian ethnic groups in other countries as a way to create a greater Serbia. Therefore, there is no comparation with independence of Kosova and the status of two provinces of Georgia.

  • 27/08/2008 21:33:25 Alert a moderator

    It is time for the world to wake up

    Abkhazia and South Ossetia should never be recognized. Georgian citizens where expelled from Abkhazia where 80% of population consisted of Georgians. Same happened in South Ossetia. Conflicts should be resolved in civilized way in 21 century. First of all, all refugees should be returned to both regions and then let the population vote whether they want to live with Georgia or not. Moscow is afraid to return refugees, because a simple calculation will show everyone that 80% of Georgian population will vote for united Georgia and live within one country.

  • 27/08/2008 20:35:39 Alert a moderator

    bllack sea

    its time united nations called a meeting to clarify the pandors box which the west has opened over the reconisation of kosovo.and its reluctance to reconise akhabia and south ossetia.

  • 27/08/2008 19:57:44 Alert a moderator

    georgia and russia

    Can anybody in the western media or western govts clarify under international law russia can reconise the new states.south ossetia north akhazibia..or not.?

  • 27/08/2008 18:19:43 Alert a moderator

    Nicolas Sarkozy said Wednesday

    Russia is part of Europe (more than Georgia, geographically), and EU will miss point until they do not enroll this country in Union. Hitler and former Soviet Union are history, today only economic, company interest prevail (not political and national interest in global superpower countries US, Russia, China).

    With Kosovo the internationals roles are broken, in Europe not in America (broking territory integration of European country Serbia). If EU really want justify, they have to start spiking with Russia on the level of partner, not with a way to scare it, and treat Georgia's attack with more critic and sanction then Russian answer. Critic on the Iraq invasion on same way as Russian attack. There are a lot of shame in EU to be resloved before EU start to judge in this world. But this is another story

  • 27/08/2008 10:41:00 Alert a moderator

    The Russian occupation of Georgia is highest alert for EU

    The EU countries have to react for Russian aggresion in Georgia, very strongly and rapidly. The gentle reaction against the Hitler from GB and Germany side was the one of reasons of Second WW! If the EU will not react strongly again the Medvedev steps then after few months will Russia start occupy the first EU contry. They starts with Latvia,Estonia and Lithuania and after that Russia will atact Poland and Finland. From history we have plenty of arguments for this idea. The last development in Caucasus shows tu as that Russia always prefers the imperialistic methods and war instead of cooperation and peacesful coexistence!

  • 27/08/2008 01:51:08 Alert a moderator

    Wake, Mother Russia!

    Let the Russians feel good about their newfound strength in crushing and dismembering tiny Georgia. After their euphoria ebbs, Russians may wonder why all their neighbors are re-arming themselves and why Russia must again spend itself into poverty kitting out its once-proud military. But that's ok; Russia's kulak farmers and hardy patriots who live outside Moscow can wait another 1,000 years to cast off their medieval living conditions. And what of Russia's newly rich oil gentry and Kremlin business partners? Doubtless, they will be inconvenienced by the travel restrictions to Karlovy Vari or Chamonix, and perhaps even by the flight of capital from their fledgling economy. But then again, Russia never believed much in those G8 and WTO ideals beyond their Potemkin-like photo opportunities. The outrageous fortune of endless natural gas supplies will comfort a sullen giant as it struggles for respect in a world that has forgotten its triumphs. This is the land of Gagarin and Pushkin and it does not need to earn your respect. Who has time to develop a real economy or institutions of a civil society when this modern-day Gold Rush will go on forever? Wake, Mother Russia and rouse yourself from this sleep!

  • 26/08/2008 22:14:32 Alert a moderator

    Kosovo, Ossetia, Abkhasia ... who's next ?

    Our great USA, and EU leaders opened the Pandora's box. Thanks to their bright vision.
    I would just like to quote part of an interesting article published just after this wonderful move that was the recognition of Kosovo.

    "Kosovo has now issued its anticipated unilateral declaration of independence, and the United States and most European Union countries, with which this declaration was coordinated, are rushing to extend diplomatic recognition to this "new country", a course of action which should strike anyone with an attachment to either international law or common sense as breathtakingly reckless.

    The potentially destabilizing consequences of this precedent (which the U.S. and the EU insist, bizarrely, should not be viewed as a precedent) have been much discussed with reference to other unhappy portions of other internationally recognized sovereign states with strong separatist movements practicing precarious but effective self-rule, such as Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transniestria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Bosnia's Republika Srpska, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Iraqi Kurdistan, as well as to discontented minorities elsewhere." ...
    Cheers everybody.

  • 26/08/2008 14:49:15 Alert a moderator

    recognition

    The west can only criticise Russia for recognising Abkhazian and South Ossetia if they in turn sever formal diplomatic ties with Kosovo. Also, one would have to admire Russia's willingness to mirror the west's recognition of Kosovo. We now have three "states" with the same status, not recognised by the UN, but with formal recognitoin from one or more permanent security council members, but not unanimous recognitoin. I think Abkhazia and South Ossetia's recognition from Russia gives moscow the chance to "bargain" with the west over the status of Kosovo, and maybe a resolution may be reached on the status of Kosovo, Abkhazia and Georgia that mirrors resolution 1244? Although, we all know the west will risk conflict by going against a security council resolution, so there is little if not no hope for an agreement, unless Russia recognises Kosovo, and US, France and UK recognise Abkhazia and South Ossetia? (china would probably not use it's veto if all four parties agree, and maybe reaffirm publicly china's claim for sovereignty over taiwan?)

    Vidéo

    • TENSIONS MOUNT ON BLACK SEA

      'Moscow's growing concern over US ship build up.' France 24's Romain Goguelin reports. 28/08/08

    • G7 CONDEMNS MOSCOW

      "Moscow is keeping a very hard line". France 24's Romain Goguelin reports from Moscow. 28/08/08

    • ANALYSIS

      "The mask has come off... In Ukraine, people are very nervous indeed" - FRANCE 24's Robert Parsons, 27/08/08

    • IN THE FIELD

      "Moscow is a bit worried about NATO warships in the Black Sea" - FRANCE 24's Romain Goguelin from Moscow, 27/08/08

    • IN THE FIELD

      "Although the government is very enthusiastic about NATO... the country is divided" - Stefan Korshak, GRN Correspondent for France 24, Kiev, 27/08/08

    • REPORT

      Saakashvili accuses Russia of openly annexing Georgia (Report: C.Norris - Trent)

    • FACT REPORT

      Abkhazia and South Ossetia's quest for independence. (Report: S.Sitbon) 27/08

    • IN THE FIELD

      "He asked that military treaties be signed quickly... to legally organise how Russian soldiers remain in the region" - FRANCE 24's Romain Goguelin in Moscow, 26/08/08

    • ANALYSIS

      "Europe has to go beyond mere condemnation" - FRANCE 24's Robert Parsons analyses the situation, 26/08/08

    • HUMANITARIAN AID GETTING THROUGH

      Margot Dunne reports from Tbilissi, Georgia, 26/08, 2 pm (GMT+2)


 

 

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