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Latest update: 25/02/2010
- France - National identity debate
ID cards and the bureaucratic maze
National ID cards in France are mandatory if you want to prove your nationality, but entering into the process of getting one leads you into the notorious bureaucratic maze of French administration from which it can take an age to emerge.
By FRANCE 24 (text)
National ID cards in France are mandatory if you want to prove your nationality, but entering into the process of getting one is something people dread for it requires entering the notorious bureaucratic maze of French administration, from which it can take an age to emerge.
In France, it’s not uncommon to be stopped by the police and asked to show your ID card. If you do not have one, it could result in a friendly visit to your local police station - or Commissariat as it is know in France - for a stern talking to.
The ID card in not only necessary for police ‘stop and searches’, it is also necessary for daily administrative life in France, such as opening a bank account or buying property. The French ID card can also be used as an alternative to a passport when inside the EU.
Can you prove you’re French?
The laminated plastic card bears your photograph, name and address, and is the only way to legally prove your citizenship in France, no other documentation will do. This precious document needs to be renewed every 10 years, much like a passport, and that is when the headache for many French nationals begins.
The issue of renewing or obtaining this document applies to French citizens who were either themselves, or their parents, were born abroad. The procedure is such a notorious quagmire, that even a government report released on February 23 acknowledged diplomatically the ‘resentment” felt by the population towards this little plastic card.
FRANCE24.com is publishing individual accounts from those who have experience of this administrative nightmare. If you have a story to tell, please send it to us at webdesk@france24.com.
Sébastian Seibt (France 24 staffer)
In 1995, I decided to get a French ID card thinking it would be a straightforward process. Wrong! It turned out to be an ordeal that lasted for months. It began with shuttling back and forth between the town hall and the police station to try to and get a nationality certificate – a document that would prove I was French and eligible for a national identity card.
My case turned out to be more complicated than I thought: I have been a resident of France since the age of four but was born in Germany to a mother who was born in Tunisia and a father who was born in the former Czechoslovakia – both my parents are now French citizens. Authorities asked me to provide the birth-certificates of my family members, including my great grandmother who was born in Hungary. As my file kept getting thicker with administrative paperwork, I started to lose my sense of belonging.
Finally, one fine day, a local official awarded me a French national identity card after a quick review of my thick file – it all happened within ten minutes. I still don’t whether all my papers were in order or if I was just a lucky beneficiary of a civil servant’s negligence.
François Picard (France 24 presenter)
I’m a French citizen who was born abroad, but I haven’t had a French national ID card for three years. The last time I took a step toward getting one, I was told to make an appointment at a county court to prove my nationality. I asked the civil servant I was dealing with at my local town hall, “How do you think it is that I have French passport?” He simply answered “A passport is not proof of nationality.” I haven’t really faced a problem without my ID, but I’m still quite annoyed that my nationality was called into question.
Amara Makhoul (France 24 staffer)
A few months ago I had to renew my national ID card following a change of address. A civil servant at the 15th arrondissement (a district in south Paris) town hall asked me to provide proof of my French nationality given that my parents were not French. The official said my French ID card was no longer proof of my nationality as rules for obtaining a French national ID had recently been changed. They asked me to submit a certificate of nationality – issued to my parents when I was a baby, which was when I was granted French citizenship. I headed back to the town hall with the required documents only to be told that my file was incomplete. They now wanted my parents’ proof of identity.
So I returned with photocopies of my parents’ ID cards. The civil servant asked me incredulously why I had not also brought my parents’ nationality proof. I reminded her that it was my card that was under discussion, not that of my parents! Finally she accepted my file, nearly three weeks after my first visit to the town hall.


























Comments (8)
CNI
It seems to me that France24 is just stiring the pot to see what sufaces. I would prefer facts rather than sensationalism.
"In France, it’s not uncommon to be stopped by the police and asked to show your ID card. If you do not have one, it could result in a friendly visit to your local police station - or Commissariat as it is know in France - for a stern talking to."
A sample of three opinions in one year is hardly representative.
Any one living in France knows that each stage of the admin has to be correct else, back to square one.
Yes, it's complicated but it's a very important document.
identity check
a stern talking to i was handcuffed and escorted to my apartment to retrieve my british passport as my australian drivers license with photo id was not sufficent oh bye the way im british of west indian descent being detained for three hpurs is not a stern talking 20 years of living in australia never stopped on the street 6 weeks in lyon once so far
Identity cartes
Is it possible to obtain a French identity card as a british subject.
we have lived in France for almost 6years now and would like to obtain a card, I appreciate we have passports for I.D. but we wish to octain a card.
If the answer is yes. I understand we go to our Mairie, but do we have to take any particular documents with us.
thank you and I await your reply.
ID Card
My Husband's Father is French, his Mother is Irish. My Husband holds a French ID card and Passport. We have recently got ID cards for a
@bullfighter's comment
first of all i have sincere doubts about whether your story is factual and whether it was merely conjured up to make a point against immigration. also, perhaps it was an intentional omission but there's no evidence to say that this person that you speak of was in fact "mexican". unless you believe anyone wearing a sombrero is mexican...
first of all, the fault rests not on the fact that the hispanic/latino individual you are describing speaks any english but on the fact that the incompetent postal work thought it was appropriate to expect someone with very little command of the english language to understand a long, drawn out, useless and purely symbolic gesture as 'swearing' to tell the truth. now the fear you are attributing to a large group of people for refusing to submit a fingerprint has to do with the collective culture of immigrants which is riddled with horror stories of mistreatment, injustice, and just plain bureaucracy. people who cross into a foreign country illegally of course face legal persecution so therefore it makes sense to be weary of procedure requirements like fingerprinting. a picture stays on the card, it's not as telling of an individual as a fingerprint. it can't be used to "track" people as easily as a fingerprint.
finally, you're a racist. :)
id card
I still carry the draft card I received from the Vietnam Era Selective Service in the US. To destroy it means 5 years in jail and up to a $250,000 fine. It was the card no one wanted back then.
id cardss
I was once standing in line at my local post office to mail some packages when I notice one of the postal workers attemping to take information from a Mexican for a new US passport. It was ridiculous. The man couldn't even understand English and the postal worker had to nod every time she wanted the Mexican to say "Yes"! He took an oath that all the information he gave was true under penalty of law without understanding a word. In the end, the Mexican got a brand new US passport.
But try asking those same Mexicans to give their fingerprints along with their photos and they raise hell.
It has always suprized me that a person will sit still for a picture of their face to be taken yet refuse to have a picture of their thumb made!
Wow.
I've never been to France, much less had to deal with a French ID card, but it sounds painful! I feel for you who have to get one.
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