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'We are not at war,’ says Prime Minister Fillon
Three days after the start of the international military mission over Libya, French Prime Minister Francois Fillon (pictured) defended France’s involvement in Libya during Tuesday's parliamentary debate.
Opening the debate on French involvement in Libya, French Prime Minister Francois Fillon reiterated that the intervention was intended to stop attacks against Libyan civilians, and nothing more.
“We are not at war with Libya, we are protecting the civilian population,” said Fillon and added, “Our objectives are very specific... to protect the civilian population, excluding explicitly any occupation forces.”
France and Libya
As the first and only country in the world to recognize the Libyan opposition’s National Transition Council, France took a leading role in pushing for a no-fly zone to contain Muammar Gaddafi’s air power and stop the Libyan leader from targeting civilians.
The resulting UN resolution 1973, which was passed last week, gives the international community wide scope to use "all necessary means" to protect civilians.
Domestic repercussions
Fillon admitted that French involvement could have “domestic repercussions,'' and that intelligence services had been mobilized as “threats were made” against France. But he did not provide further details.
Reporting from the French parliament Tuesday, FRANCE 24’s Catherine Norris Trent said Fillon had mentioned the recent uprisings in neighbouring Tunisia and Egypt and asserted that “France want[s] to see a new era in the Mediterranean region."
“His speech focused not just on what’s going on in Libya, but in very idealistic terms, on what’s going on in the entire region,” she said.
Under French law, the executive branch must inform parliament about the government’s move to commit French troops abroad.
Parliamentary approval, however, is not mandated under French law and Tuesday’s debate is not expected to spark much controversy.
Political support
French political opinion has been largely behind President Nicolas Sarkozy’s deployment of forces to aid the international mission in Libya.
Former French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin has welcomed France’s involvement in Libya. In an interview published on Sunday in the weekly newspaper, Le Journal du Dimanche, Villepin supported the French military initiative against Gaddafi.
France’s main opposition Socialist Party has also supported UN Resolution 1973.
Addressing parliament after Fillon, Socialist Party parliamentarian Jean-Marc Ayrault, said his party had agreed with the text and the hopes of UN Resolution 1973. But he also warned of the risks of a stalemate.
“We do not know the actual military capabilities of the Libyan insurgents,” said Ayrault. “Muammar Gaddafi is in no hurry.”
In his speech before parliament Tuesday, French foreign minister Alain Juppe responded to concerns over the long-term strategy in Libya, calling for the formation of political steering committees comprising of the foreign ministers from coalition partners – including Arab allies – to discuss the next stages of the Libyan intervention.
Juppe told parliament that the political steering committees could meet in Paris, Brussels or London in the coming days.
He also reiterated France’s position that NATO must not take political control of the military operations after the USA handed over control because it would alienate Arab countries although France was willing to use the alliance's military command to plan and execute air operations.
At the extreme ends of the political spectru, though, hardline left and right parties have voiced opposition to the intervention. “This is an act of war,” said Marine Le Pen, the new leader of the far right Front National party. “It will not solve the problem, which is one of long-term civil war”.
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Comments (55)
just playing
Not a war? Maybe big boys just playing war? The world is bleeding from your games!!!
L'empire
Au début de l'agression contre la Libye, l'empire était déjà très malade à la crise économique créée par les institutions financières et les banques, les usuriers, le tout avec l'approbation de ses politiciens et les dirigeants. La différence était que pour la première fois dans l'histoire, l'Empire n'avait pas réussi à télécharger la crise pour les autres peuples du monde, comme cela a été utilisé .. D'où les répercussions énormes dans les classes inférieures et les classes moyennes aux Etats-Unis et en Europe, la privatisation et le démantèlement de l'État providence, réalisé avec de grands sacrifices par les citoyens. Au moment où les impérialistes lancé l'assaut sur le pétrole libyen, les dieux ou la nature avec une force incroyable a frappé le Japon, causant des dommages inmenzamente l'emportent sur les avantages que les impérialistes voulaient se rendre au pillage de pétrole libyen. . Une pénalité de la nature que tout le monde, y compris les Libyens Kadhafi et qu'il pourrait vouloir Empire manque .. maintenant que les dieux existent ou non, donner l'empire, le glas puni, à tout moment, cataclysme, dixième année, a annoncé, sur les rives du San Francisco et la Californie. Espérons que cela n'arrivera pas Cataclysm est annoncé et nous l'espérons, que les Impériaux ont fini de détruire toute sécurité pour aller en Libye.
yea, sure.
Yes Mr. Prime Minister.
And you're not a moron, you're a clever guy
Spelling
The first name of the Prime Minister is "François," not "Francois"
Just War
Wish they would just say what it is. A just war to kick some dictator's butt that we should have done years ago. It's high time the world start to act when things like this happen. We should no longer turn a blind eye to the actions of dictators allies and enemies alike. When there is a just cry for help we should no longer say "Okay maybe we will help, but we have to debate it for a month first though until its almost too late". I'm so sick of all of these regime apologists they need to take a tall leap as they are nothing more then the pawns of criminals they are defending. If you are defending Gadaffi in any way you might as well be loading the rifles that his troops are using on men, women, and children. There is no difference between the civilians and rebels... the rebels are the civilians who at this point have no other choice its fight for their lives or be murdered. God I wish I could slap some sense into some of you about what the real world is like, you can't negotiate with dictators and play nice they don't respect it and they laugh every time the U.N sends a letter telling them not to be bad or else it will send another letter or make a statement and it plays right into their hands. Actions get results... that is the only diplomacy worth its grain of salt with people like them.
Libya is at war, but not France!
I think it is an international duty to stop the Libyan government killing its own citizens. In my opinion, France took the initiatives from the begining of the war to minimise the civilian casualties that was caused by the Gaddafi government in return for their demands! It could have taken more time for the internationel comunity to react if France did not take the leadership. Another reson why France is not at war is that France's military capabilities is uncomparable with the Libyan's.
Question? - How do you know a
Question? - How do you know a military group in the distance is French?
Answer - If they're advancing to the rear.
war or peace?
Dear Mr. Prime Minister,
While i have some sympathy for the situation you find yourself and your country in at the current time, i'm confused. if it is not war, is it then...... peace????
USA at War
The problem is we have a weak globalist President. The US would contribute it unique abilities early on and hand over control to the UN. As I’m sure you are aware the UN is worthless and unable/unwilling to assume control of anything. Humanitarian efforts maybe but even that track record is not without clear issues. By bowing to global pressure we are now facing a nasty unclear future here. And for what? Were we ever in any danger or being attached? Were we at risk of losing resources? (it’s not blood for oil if you don’t get any oil) its just blood.
Obviously I’m no supporter of the war in Iraq. Who could be? But at the very very least we went to war thinking the US was under some sort of danger from WMD’s. It’s laughable looking back at it now. Remember the mobile WMD’s labs. Man.. that was scary.
I guess you can have a debate over Iraq. But not here. The US is in no danger.
Yeah right
And the good French in Tripoli were on the AXIS side of the war until the Allies stormed the beaches and the French suddenly switched sides, threw down their arms and embraced the Allies.
And typical to the French, when Japan took over French Indochina, AKA Vietnam, they were very quick to surrender to the Japanese invaders and were quickly hired by the Japanese to control the Vietnamese people for Japan while WWII took place.
Then after the war they were very quick to regain control of the area for themselves so they could continue to rape Vietnam and it's people until they finally gave up and let the US finish the dirty work they started.
And didn't the French have a truly wonderful military response to defend their nation in both WWI and WWII.
The shortest book in the world? "Successful French Military Campaigns in History."
And we honestly give any credibility this historical parasitic government has to say?
Now if you really want to do something positive. get the US out of NATO and the UN and stop giving foreign aide and promoting business in countries where the majority of the people seem to hate American's and American influence. Remove all troops from France, Germany and anywhere else where those governments overtly castigate and denigrate the US at every opportunity.
Then when billions of American Tax dollars are no longer serving their governments and they can defend themselves by them selves against all other foreign powers perhaps they will start singing a different tune.
We are not at war.
No, firing 250 missles and bombing by fighter jets is lending a helping hand.
war?
War is an openly declared state of organized violent conflicts. - if its not "war" then what is it?
We are not at war....
Isn't that what the French said to the Germans when they marched through the Arc de Triomphe?
LIB-YA
Well for all you French folk, we're (the US) not at war either, in fact we don't really know what we are at this time and previously, the future is still undecided.
Here's the motto: The enemy of our enemy is still just our enemy..so who knew?
Coalition
Today we learned that Al Quaida is also siding with the rebels so with them now being part of our coalition, couldn't we turn the war over to them? . . . . .Those darn terrorists, always on Obama's side.
Payback
There will be "Payback" in France, UK and the USA by Qaddafi.
at war
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If you're sending hundreds of missles and bombing the daylights out of a nation, you're at war.
The French "not at war"?
What is your goal sir? I understand you are doing as Bush and other Americans have done but you are resisting taking any real responsibility, knowing that you have criticized the United States (you hope) into oblivion... You have bullyied citizens of the United States and yes, even welcomed them into your open arms as expatriots... so that the Present Obama can acquire the presidency... now what are you?: Present in Libya. Well guess what ... you may think the Americans are not awake, but alas, sir, we are!!!
IMPEACHMENT PENDING
Oh yes you are, you can't get your buddy Obama out of this one, its impeachment time, and your country would do an honor to itself if you got its leader removed as well.
French War
Amusing how France starts a war (or "not war"), and it asks its allies to support their op, and the muslim world blames the US. Go figure.
It's not a war....It's target
It's not a war....It's target practice.
war is as war does
How come we are told that Gadhafi was killing his own people - but when it comes to atrocities by our military - it is only the lowest level private or seargant who is responsible not our leader? We don't say Obama was sport killing civilians in Afghanistan... so subtle the propaganda twist - yet so effective. Everyone I talk to parrots those exact words as justification for this new war ... "Gadhafi was killing his own people","Gadhafi was killing his own people", "Gadhafi was killing his own people".
is it war?
ahhh sorry but YES - cruise missle diplomacy is an act of war. Flying over and bombing the military targets of a sovereign country is practically the definition of war. Ever notice how clean the wordage is - we neutralized a string of tanks, for example - no mention of the actual killing invloved. And of course our bombs only kill bad guys.
I don't see this as
I don't see this as protecting the civilians. Now the ratbastard is out killing more than before. UN resolution and the supposed coalition is weak sauce. They are trying to stuff 10-lbs in a 2-lb box. Amazingly dumb.
And there was no eminent threat to the US...but BO says this ain't no war...could have fooled me, nah not really. It is what it is and Obama is doomed.
War by committee. LOL
France at War
The French who wanted so bad to go to War to show they are [ they think they are] a mighty super power now back out like the wimps they are[ the mouse that roared ] let them finish what they started- do they still relieve themself on the streets of Paris?
Make Love Not War
Want to fight? Good. I'll hold your coat.
We're not at war....
I beleive that the 0'bammy admin changed the name to "Overseas Contingencies". Much neater that "WAR"! Yuck!!
"not at war?"
Sir, when you drop a bomb on a sovereign country, you are committing an act of war. It may be for humanitarian reasons, but your reasons don't define what it is, your actions do.
Our POTUS just got us into a THIRD war, without a comment to Congress nor a word to the American people. A unilateral decision, where he consulted world heads of state and the UN. There is nothing in our laws that allow this, without some sort of imminent danger to the US.
Looks like politicians are the same the world over. Doing something in their own interest, while calling it something completely different. But it doesn't matter how many times you yell 'whale!', if it waddles, quacks and has feathers, it's a duck.
Your 'feelings' are enough to commit your individual person to socking some other guy in the nose, but they're not enough to take your entire country into war where it's their time, energy, blood and money that is at stake.
If the strength of your convictions are so deep that you believe that taking this guy out is important on a humanitarian level, then where does it stop? Is the west going to take it upon themselves to uproot every nasty tinpot dictator on the planet?
War it sure is honey bun
Why not stand up and be proud about what you are doing?
If you are not proud about what you are doing then stop doing it.
omg DON'T back down now! We
omg DON'T back down now! We have a lapcat president and it is time for others to realize it. America in majority regrets the faux "HOPE" president they ellected when they were drunk on the koolaid called "Hope and Change" .
You're not at war only
You're not at war only because Libya hasn't counter attacked ... yet.
At war?
The 'coalition' attacked a Libyan military column and has launched muliple cruise missile salvos throughout Libya.
And it continues....
That is war by it very definition.
French
LOL....of course not~
We're not at war
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???
freedom
killing civilians is just Humanitarian Mission
war
If one sovereign state uses its military to attack and destroy another sovereign states military and restrict its airspace, that is war.. You can use whatever verbiage you wish but it will not conceal the fact that your country attacked another country, regardless of the rationale.
not at war???
Dropping bombs and firing missiles on another country is "not at war"? Playing with words and phrases such as "establishing a no-fly zone" does not change the reality of the act or the fact that missiles are being fired at another country. Maybe if there is ONLY patrol of the air and surveillance of the air space, then THAT might not be war - if you want to take a chance of being shot down. But attacking anti-aircraft facilities or anything in another country is what it is, regardless of the desire to establish a no-fly zone: an act of war. Make the decision based on the cost/benefit and whether the action is worth it, and call this activity what it is: a war against another country.
To War
France and the other allies are in a civil war in which they have chosen the side of the rebels. Who are the rebels, who is funding them and providing them with weapons, and are their leaders socialists or Islamic extremists?
When the world is one big
When the world is one big money-grubbing corporation and government leaders are its knee-jerk puppets, why should anyone be surprised by the puppets' apparent sloppiness, back-biting and utter confusion when waging a sudden war for profit -- under the guise of humanitarianism?
When the world is one big
When the world is one big money-grubbing corporation and government leaders are its knee-jerk puppets, why should anyone be surprised by the puppets' apparent sloppiness, back-biting and utter confusion when waging a sudden war for profit -- under the guise of humanitarianism?
It is amazing how many people
It is amazing how many people can start a war, launch missiles and kill people, and then claim, "We are not at war".
War
Make not mistake, this is a war.
Libya for the Libyans
What is going on in USA is worrisome. There are two wars that still have to be terminated, billions of dollars of debts that must be paid, War on Terror that must be won, a Psyche that has been severely damaged because of legalized tax-funded abortion, gay marriage, division that is getting bigger and bigger than Texas every day. And now this military incursions to Libya that is sure to add to our billions of dollars of debt. Dead or alive, victorious or vanquished, Khaddafi is slowly but surely eroding whatever faith the Arab World and the rest of the world may have in America and is slowly but surely emerging as the new Saladin of our age. The Muslims are just waiting to be galvanized by a hero, and as of now Khaddafi the Underdog is turning into a hero. His letter to President Barack Hussein Obama, published in an Indian newspaper, is deeply moving. His defiance vs. the invaders is becoming a reality show and a telenovela for the Muslims. Meanwhile, Russia, China, India and Brazil watch like adults as children strategize on how to capture the oilfields in desert Libya. The press is failing miserably to propagandize and justify this invasion. President Hugo Chavez describes the aerial display of right and might in the Libyan skies as “pure madness” while Premier Vladimir Putin of Russia calls it another crusade. It may be a crusade, but let it be known that it does not have the blessing of the Pope who I suppose wants peace, not war. It is a crusade all right if we mean Crusade of the Nincompoops. They do not know where it is leading, they do not know who is in charge, but for sure we know that the American taxpayers are footing all the bills to help install another regime—a regime of Hillary Clinton’s “rebels” who spend their time calling the hysterical media and whining for intervention. When we wake up one morning and we feel what the Spaniards may feel when they discover that they have been working for the British, we want to bite our elbow to manage our anger but we even become more angry because it is simply impossible to bite our own elbow.
French Prime minister Fillons words
“We are not at war with Libya, we are protecting the civilian population,” said Fillon What a bunch of BS. Sorry, but when you drop bombs on a country and kill people in the process I don't care what you say or who you are--you just committed an act of war. Actions speak louder then words! Those attacked have every right to defend themselves however they can. The United States and all her allies are guilty of attacking a country that did not attack any or threaten any of their countries! The people of this world are tired of all the self righteous hypocrites who could care less about the Libyan people but covet their oil!
Maybe I'm not looking at this
Maybe I'm not looking at this the same way, but when someone is firing missiles from fighter aircraft, I would have a tendency to say it's a war, be it declared on paper or not. And from what I've seen, croissants should not be able to destroy old Russian tanks and other assorted armored vehicle. But I could be wrong.
Not at war?
I find it rather odd that anyone would think they could attack another country and NOT assume they are at war! It matters not what you think of Quaddafi; you had better believe he thinks HE is at war.
If he survives he WILL retaliate!
Protect Civilians?
"The resulting UN resolution 1973, which was passed last week, gives the international community wide scope to use "all necessary means" to protect civilians."
Where are these cowards when it comes to protecting the millions of genocide victims in Africa?
we're not at war
'we're not at war...' isn't that France's national motto?
wimps
Why can't anyone stand up and take the justification for this war to the people, and stand up and take ownership for the decisions of the international community.
It is like someone farted, and the question was raised... who did it? silence....
"We Are Not At War...."
HAHAHA!!! You've got to be kidding me? We're not at war? Of course we are and it's been declared under the guise of humanitarian aid. Why now? Why Libya? Why aren't y'all launching cruise missiles into Yemen, Bahrain, Iran, Egypt, etc etc etc? Same thing is happening over there yet only Libya gets bombarded. I'm tired of warmongers and am embarrassed by my country's (USA) actions over the years.
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