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First woman fined for flouting new 'burqa ban'

French police fined a woman for wearing a full Islamic veil for the first time on Tuesday as a new ban against full-face coverings came into force. The woman was fined 150 euros in the Mureaux district north-west of Paris.

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AFP - French police fined a woman for wearing a full-face Islamic veil, the first reported enforcement of a ban on the garment on the day it came into effect, a police source said Tuesday.

The young woman, born in 1983, was fined 150 euros (216 dollars) "without incident" in a shopping centre in Mureaux, northwest of Paris, early Monday evening, the source said, without elaborating on exactly what she was wearing.

France on Monday became the first country in Europe to apply a ban on the wearing of full-face coverings, including the Islamic niqab. At least two niqab-wearing women were arrested the same day for protesting the ban.

French police have voiced fears the law will be impossible to enforce, since they have not been empowered to use force to remove head coverings, and could face resistance in already tense immigrant districts.

But Interior Minister Claude Gueant insisted on Monday that the ban would be fully applied, in the name of "secularism and equality between men and women... two principles upon which we can not compromise."

"The police and the gendarmerie are there to apply the law and they will apply the law," he said.

The law came into effect at an already fraught moment in relations between the state and France's Muslim minority, with Sarkozy accused of stigmatising Islam to win back votes from a resurgent far right.

French officials estimate that only around 2,000 women, from a total Muslim population estimated at between four and six million, wear the full-face veils that are traditional in parts of the Arab world and South Asia.

Many Muslims and rights activists say the right-wing president is targeting one of France's most vulnerable groups to signal to anti-immigration voters that he shares their fear that Islam is a threat to French culture.

Comments (35)

Caucasians???

Somehow I doubt that 100million+ Indonesian Muslims, or a similar, if not greater number, of Africans can be called Caucasian.

The first being of Oriental stock, the latter of Negroid stock. Neither of which can be in any way classed as Caucasian.

If you are referring to 'Arabs', maybe you are ethnically correct, or at least within the general genetic arena, however I doubt even that possibility.
Maybe I should study the genetic background of the Arabs, as far as I know, from a top of my head recall, Arabs have a close relationship, genetically speaking, with their Jewish brethren. Again, hardly Caucasian, which, according to Nazi philosophy made then Unter mensch, and subject to the termination programme of the holocaust.

A little knowledge is dangerous when such comments are made.

I suggest to you, that before submitting any further inane comments, you take some time to look up in any erudite work, the meaning of the terms you call into use.

i object !!!!!!

there are much more important things than a stupid burka.people appreciate deeds not images and noises .i'm muslim and i object ! one guy said above " an eye for an eye " ... plz get real !!!

Islamic veils

President Sarkozy :
Sir : Please enforce the law on Islamic veils.
Yours Sincerely : Hubert Wagner

hijab

BAN BIKINI NOT BURGA(HIJAB)

hijab

hijab(full covering)the blessing and safety to all women

Simplicity = Public Safety

The ban was not put into place to confine any religion, culture, or people. The purpose of the ban is much simpler than that: public safety. Anyone is able to put on the full islamic veil and hide in plain sight. They could have weaponry or explosives under the veil and no one would ever be able to know until it is too late. The veil has already been used by men to elude capture and has also been used by men and women to get closer to a target for a bombing or a shooting. Our recent increased involvements in this culture have shown us these things.

Every government has as its primary purpose an obligation to protect the citizenry. The ban is completely legal and rational as well needed in other nations as well. It also tells you why we don't need to be uncovering nuns who can already be identified nor why any other 'dress code' is being implemented.

Good

Now the rest of the western world needs to adopt this policy.

Burka Fashion The latest must have

Who cares if someone wants to hide under a black sheet and walk around the streets. Maybe they like looking different and others looking at them. It's one way to be noticed. Some women buy Brand bags to be noticed maybe they should just don a burka to turn heads

ban

The fact that this law is necessary says quite eloquently that the great Western experiment of multiculturalism is a dismal failure. The world marveled at how the Japanese handled the aftermath of the earthquake. They live in a mono cultural mono racial society. They do not throw open their borders to the third world because of the damage it would do to their ordered society. Nor do they import slave labor due to low birth rate and an aging population. The Japanese have an almost Vulcan sense of logic that I greatly admire.

Burcas

I have a personal theory that the veil came about through ladies protecting their skin from the hot sun, and became such common practice that it became rare,and later improper for a lady to be seen without a covered face, probably preceding the advent of the Muslim religion. Therefore I would argue that the religious argument has probably no true foundation in Islam.

Muslims are Caucasians!

Just wanted to point out to Sian above that Muslims are Caucasians. Try looking it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

Unfair and against Democracy

Democracy=Freedom from (Unequality, Unjustice, Sufferings, Religious Hatred, Monarchy, Communalism, Imperialism etc).
Niqab and Burqa is followed by Muslim women since hundereds of years, this is not nothing new to this world every one is aware of that in all the Western Countries.
Burqa has always prevented women from getting raped by man, look at a scenario between two women who covers her body completly and a women in bikini who will get raped soon.
Sarkozy has used this tool to get vote Bank as America used 9/11 to get free Oil from Middle East and get our TAX Money in there pockets.
A person who impose hardship to others can never bring peace to his own people, sooner or later they will regret of their actions and a day will come this kinda leaders will be hanged to death in public by their own people.

Gurqa ban

I am glad she was arrested for wearing the veil in public. she should not be wearing this in public. If she wants to wear this veil then she should do so in the privacy of her house! Not in public.

julio_aguilar@hotmail.it

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burqa

well done France! I am born a Muslim and am in total agreement with the ban and hope other countries follow suit. if these women don't like the law then go back to where the burqa is acceptable.

not even called for in the quran

The women who wear these coverings don't even know the real reason as to why they are told to wear them. Whatever they have been told, it is not necessary to completely cover themselves, but just to be dressed modestly. All these laws are enforced by men who wish to remain in control of women, it is nothing to do with their religion. These women should really start to wake up to this repression.

ban on burka

As there is not even the smallest chance that there is a god anyway, all religious nonsense should be banned from public places. These women are forced into wearing such cover-ups because they are thought to be immoral and sexually depraved, and muslim men don't want to be seduced or led astray. What an insult to all women, and they don't even realise that this is not actually written in the quran as part of islamic faith. These women should be glad that they have been set free, and I hope other countries follow this example.

French law and culture

This new law is a proper addition to similar laws already in place. For example, Catholic children are not allowed to wear their Crucifixes to school. It is the same for other religious symbols. France is a country dedicated to equality among all. And as another commented, when Caucasians (of whatever religion) visit Muslim countries, we are respectful and cover, dress properly. The only public Muslim clothing banned by this new law, is the clothing that absolutely hides who is under it. To listen to some, it sounds as if every last Muslim adornment (pardon if that is not the proper word) is being outlawed. This is simply not the case. Would it not be horrible, tragic if someone used this in a malicious or violent way? To be clear I mean to say, if someone who is not Muslim used that article of clothing to cover themselves and accomplish a criminal act. I do not think it would be in keeping with any police to physically remove the covering. Perhaps peacefully accompany the police station and have someone remove it in a private setting? I agree with most of what Deedee says. And to the commenter who caps "Remember You Will Be Accountable For This Day!" You may not have meant it to sound threatening, but it does "read" that way. This is not what we all need. Regards.

Seriously, equality between

Seriously, equality between men and women would be freedom for both. if a woman wants to wear whatever she wants to wear, whether it's a bikini or a niqab, that's her choice. so what mini skirts are more acceptable? wow.
and making a law for 2000 women, a MINORITY INSIDE A MINORITY is beyond ridiculous.

i'm just happy this fear of islam is not reflected on the population. the people i have met are not for this law at all.

hypocrites

why there is no law forbidding walking naked in the streets and public parks . we must forbid niqab , prostitution and pornography , Prostitution but not niqab is legal

eye by eye

Arabs also should arrest any western naked women in Arab countries , eye by eye and tooth by tooth , they must respect our laws in our countries.

French tolerance of others is

You french make me sick with your near entire political establishment and its openly hostile attitude to Women who who decide to wear the veil.
At the end of the day ,It will boil down to you having to rip it off one of there faces in the name of 'tolerance.'
Try it and lets see where all of your notions of french cultural superiority will come to?
The french disgust me anyway
{The anglo saxon world will never do this in their world because @ least we believe in fair play}

This Is Volational and Against All human rights!

I agree, and what happened to human rights, women rights?
Are you trying to tell me that in the history of France there is no such thing called women rights i mean all the other countries respect our islamic dressing code so what makes you so different to any other western country although you might have your so called 'Rights' but every women on earth as right and as i am a women i feel VERY Offended because France is taking away our rights !

However this might seem fair to you but you as a country are going against all human rights and clash of civilization.

In between

I agree with that law base on security issue, a theif could dress in full veil and robb a bank, and there is nothing in the Quran that say the women has to cover their FACES.
I am a muslim I don't wear The hijab or cover up,it is my choice, I wouldn't like someone to say to me you need to walk naked, because i said so . In addition I don't like someone saying to me that I need to cover up because my religion say so.
It is no one business but mine, it is between me and God end of story.

The Face veil should be enforce based on security reasons only.

then nuns should not cover

then nuns should not cover themselves as well. Whats good for one is good for all.

Im always so surprised at

Im always so surprised at muslim reactions to this ban, why not accept the laws and opinion of the native people? Also to bring up a more disturbing issue, the fact that when we westerners visit muslim countries we are forced to cover our bodies. And we respectfully follow those laws.

Burqu ban

Go France, this is the right thing to do I wish our pollies had the guts to take a firm stand against these spooks.Women should not be forced into this weird practice.
Errol, Kirra, Qld. Australia

burqa ban

Well done France, someone somewhere should have dared to implement this law which am sure will create havoc in the muslim community. However, it's avery good iniatitive enforce security. Other countries must follow the example of France.

Moderator

What is your problem? R U on break? China Daily postes faster that you guys.......... cammmmmmmon!

Burqas

My adopted Mother, a devout Christian, wore a small head covering at almost all times. It did not cover her face, only her hair, which she did not cut. Occasionally when she was shopping , a clerk would ask her about it. Her response was that God asked it of her.
The Muslim issue is a bit different. The Burqa is a response to the passage in the Koran which says "A man should not display his wife in the market place as he would a flower".
This issue is one of the main reasons I have such a problem with Islamic law. This "interpretation" is a real reach at best, and an outright corrupt way to subjugate women at the worst.
We ALL no what that passage really means, and it makes perfect sense. Having your wife in a bikini in the market place will cause nothing but trouble.

face veils

They should be forcably removed in public! If muslims want to live in the west.... then assimilate!
Otherwise go back to the middle east!

hats off to France !

hats off to France !

muslims in france

France is a secular country and they should respect our laws and culture! Those people want to impose their laws on us, the french, they have no respect for the land that welcomed them. Arabs are the most arrogant people of all. If they are not happy, the door is wide open, they can leave ! When we go to their countries of orignine, we have to cover and we do respect their laws. Religion make people do stupid things, religions should go !

HUMAN RIGHTS!

hello!
what happened to human rights huh?
dont we muslims exisit in your world?
what happened to freedom and freely practising your religion?
you have NO RIGHT whatsoever to ban the islamic dressing code and you might want to consider the so called 'HUMAN RIGHTS!'

Rememeber You Will Be Accountable For This Day!

Unfair and against democracy

This new law in France it is not about secularism or gender inequality. If so than everyone should have the right to do whatever they think is right. As a democratic state like France they should promote the human freedom which is the main factor for any liberal state. But by forcing this law they not only going against the human freedom but also promote the clash of civilizations.

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