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Should governments tax the rich to get out of debt?
As debt-saddled governments on both sides of the Atlantic scramble to make cuts from the left, right and centre, a number of billionaires have sparked a fierce debate by suggesting it is time that the wealthy paid their share of the dues.
By Benjamin DODMAN (text)
With governments in Europe and the United States running out of options to plug gaping deficits and calm jittery markets, some of the world’s wealthiest people have spoken out this week, seeking to breathe new life into the longstanding debate on taxes.
Billionaire investor Warren Buffett fired the first salvo on Monday with an op-ed published in the New York Times. “My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress,” Buffett wrote. “It's time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice."
After weeks of wrangling over eurobonds, short-selling and other mystifying financial terms, here was the third-richest man in the world talking up something everyone could grasp: taxing the rich.
In France, Buffett’s example was soon followed by Maurice Lévy, the head of the Publicis advertising group and of the French association of private enterprises. Writing in Wednesday’s edition of Le Monde newspaper, Lévy said it was time France’s wealthiest “participated in the nation’s effort”.
By Thursday, the debate had made it onto the front page of several French dailies, with the left-leaning Libération headlining on a “rich idea”.
A toxic debate
This is not the first time Buffett, known as the Oracle of Omaha, has spoken in favour of higher taxes. But the timing of his latest appeal, during an extended period of economic hardship and as US lawmakers debate how to slash the country’s deficit, has given it particular resonance.
"While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks," he wrote, calling on Congress and the White House to raise taxes on America’s wealthiest.
His appeal was soon embraced by Democratic leaders, including US President Barack Obama. But Republicans and other opponents of higher taxation were incensed.
A number of critics suggested Buffett write a cheque to the Treasury, if he so wished, and leave the rest of wealthy America alone.
Some questioned the economics of Buffett’s proposal, arguing that the added revenue would be a mere drop in the ocean of debt.
Others cried foul at what they saw as a ploy by the octogenarian investor, whose estimated fortune of $47 billion is well beyond the tax man’s reach, to ensure nobody would ever catch up.
Overall, the passion stirred by the debate was reminiscent of the virulent partisanship that has become a hallmark of US politics.
Timid moves
In recent months, Republicans have fiercely resisted attempts, backed by Democrats, to see America’s wealthiest contribute a little bit more towards reducing the country’s debt.
Many Democrats would like Congress, which has its own fair share of millionaires, to let Bush-era tax cuts for the top income bracket expire. According to conservative estimates, the tax breaks cost the federal government close to $1.3 trillion.
Elsewhere, governments have made only timid attempts at collecting more from the rich. Just before it was ousted from power last year, Britain’s Labour Party rushed to raise the top rate of income tax to 50%.
In Italy, the government of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, the country’s richest man, has announced a special “solidarity tax” on incomes above €90,000.
As for the tax-shy French government, it is reportedly mulling an “exceptional” 1% to 2% levy on incomes that top €1 million, a move that would apply to a mere 30,000 households.
According to Libération, the levy would generate, at best, €300 million – far short of the €18.4 billion per year forfeited by the state as a result of tax breaks granted to the highest earners over the past decade. But French President Nicolas Sarkozy has made it clear he will not renege on pledges to leave the tax rate unchanged.
Restoring fiscal justice
“Taxing the rich is, in economic terms, a necessary move, and in political terms a fraught one,” said Moncef Cheikh-Rouhou, a professor of economics at the Paris-based business school HEC, in an interview with FRANCE 24.
Regarding France, Cheikh-Rouhou said “investors come here for the social cohesion we enjoy; they don’t want class warfare”.
But many argue that the social cohesion Cheikh-Rouhou describes is undermined by resentment over the widening gap between rich and poor, and the feeling of injustice it generates both in France and the US.
In one of the most widely quoted passages of his New York Times article, Buffett pointed out that the amount of tax he paid last year, though a whopping $7 million, was proportionally lower than that paid by any of his collaborators – a discrepancy attributed to the various tax breaks granted to America’s richest by former US President George W. Bush.
According to French economists Camille Landais, Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez, the same is true of France. In their book Pour une revolution fiscale (For a Fiscal Revolution), published in January of this year, the three argued that, as a result of various tax breaks passed by conservative governments since 2002, income tax rates in France have become inversely proportional to household income, allowing France’s biggest earners to pay proportionally less in taxes than middle-income earners.
Today, the 50% of French taxpayers at the lowest income levels pay close to a 45% tax rate while the nation's 500,000 richest pay a rate of 35% on average.
Landais, Piketty and Saez say only a complete overhaul of France’s tax system, one that restores progressive rates of taxation based on household wealth, could help curb the deficit and restore a sense of fiscal justice.
As former hedge fund pioneer George Soros, another billionaire calling for more taxes, recently told Reuters, “Buffet has a point: if the rich don’t do something now, they will have the public on their backs for years to come.”
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Comments (18)
Who makes the rich
Who makes the rich richer,,,The Poor....
Should the Rich be Taxed?
The Robin Hood Tax should be here NOW! Everybody pulls up their bootstraps; not just the poor.
Should the Government Tax the Rich to get out of Debt?
YES!!!
For two for reasons: (1)The rich enjoy absolute power over our finacial institutions and the governmental institutions. Through Lobbying they Buy our elected politcal officials who then vote on and pass regulations to benefit them at the expense of the Working Class. (2) If the Rich had morals or ethics it would appear they would voluntarily volunteer to pay their fair share of taxes since they have more to gain by living in a free Enterprise Society which allows them to accumulate enormous amount of wealth at the expense of the working class, who many who many wealthy class think of and reference to as "PEASANTS". The Private Enterprise relegated the working class citizens to the same "status" that many fled the "mother country" (England) to establish a more prosperous life. In adition, to ridden themselves of the "shackles" of indentured servitude status. I am appalled that in the 21st Century, the "Babarians" are still dominating the behaviors of 21st Century modern civilization. It is time for mankind to stop the Insane behavior that a small percentage of the populace should enoy majority of natures resources.
Thank You.
Taxing the wealthiest
Republicans in the USA represent the interests of the oligarchs who control the media. The media dupes the vast ignorant American electorate into serving the interests of the economic rapists by crying "class warfare" when the most modest proposals to create a slightly more balanced tax structure are made. The wealthy parasites prevail. Republicans will win because the American people are intellectually indolent and easily swayed by right-wing propaganda. Let us hope the more enlightened French electorate will demand the wealthiest French citizens contribute to ameliorate the economic problems they and their counterparts in the Western world have created.
Taxes
Raising taxes on rich will not solve the economical problems. The only thing it does is giving government more money so they could waste it. In order to solve problem with economy is delete some of the EPA regulations. Cut taxes on small businesses and make them permanent not just for one year. Start drilling for oil in the US. Cutdown size of the US government. If Obama and all governmetn officials want to set example for others on living in the means, then they should cut their paychecks by one third.
Mega-rich
Do the mega-rich, that top 1%, even consider themselves to be citizens of any given nation, or do they regard themselves as global citizens, who have numerous bases of operation. Does their alliegance lie with a particular country, or is their alliegance to their business, regardless of whether it benefits their home nation or hurts it?
US Income tax remarks are misleading
When people discuss the US tax rates as pertains to income tax and it is said that many people actually have a negative income tax, they are right about that. However, that does not take into consideration the countless other taxes that Americans pay... particularly those that are impossible to avoid, and which often affect the poor far much more than the wealthy. If a wealthy person has the money and wants to buy a yacht, it is unlikely that he'll worry much about the sales tax. I should say that sales taxes are state and local taxes... not Federal. Some states do not have sales tax. I happen to be in a state that has a 10% sales tax. Some states have sales tax on food and medications. One can choose not to buy a yacht. One must buy food.
Also, in order to get around many laws that define how taxes must be passed, many state and local governments create fees rather than taxes. There are Federal, state, and local fees on things such as telephone bills.
I have never seen totals for what Americans of various income levels pay, percentage-wise, in overall taxes and fees - Federal, state, county, city.
I would lay odds that even those below the poverty line, who pay no Federal income tax, still pay 10-15% in all other taxes and fees.
TAX’S ,REPUBLICAN’S
Yes Miss MEG Whitman, so far she has 300 Billion Bank account Savings Account ,and not counting checking account . Now wee all know why republican’s are SO RICH . Because they don’t pay fair TAXES . EY WHAT ABOUT HER BEST FREIND CARLYN FIORINA ,THAT’S ANOTHER ONE TOO .
response to A.N.Other
Patrick...
You make a fundamental mistake in your assessment of not taxing the wealthy.
You could well be correct if those with the mega funding actually used their loot to create jobs, but the truth is, they do not so do.
They look around the globe to see where their 'investment' can be used to rake in the greatest return, invariably with no or low tax regimes, and in doing so export jobs from the high wage regions to those areas where a dollar a day means overpaying the workforce.
Your remarks smack of another child of Thatcher with her 'trickle down' philosophy, and her other mantra of 'self regulation', neither of which have worked.
Her policies, currently being returned to by Cameron, are now bearing bitter fruit across the financial world.
But the sweetest fruits remain available ONLY to the rich, whilst the hoi poloi not only have to cultivate the trees that bear the fruits, but are only allowed to eat the galls. Even the windfalls don't come to the very poor and disadvantaged.
I suggest a course in basic economics Paddy old fruit.
Tax the rich? Of course!
Why shouldn't the extremely rich people of this earth pay billions to help sort out the problems we are having? When you own a Villa, a Yacht, a Sports Car and enough money for you, your family and friends to live for the rest of their lives in total luxury, why not give the rest to the country who could benefit by it? Warren Buffett is volunteering to give some of his money away - let's just say thanks very much and accept it gracefully!
Taxing the Rich
Your question is not phrased correctly. What is only right is that the 'rich' do not receive exemptions or levels at which they do not have to pay taxes. That is the situation that is not fair. Remove restrictions so that 'rich' and 'not rich' are taxes equally.
Its all greed and politics
The proposal that the rich of the USA, and they are many, pay a little more to the treasury is a very valid one, especially from the benefits and returns point of view. The America's rich have riped the most benefits during the good old days from the Americans and the world. Is this not the basis of the corporate social responsibilty. Americans, and the west in general, have taught us a lot about good and resposible business and have coined niceties like "the corporate citizen." Is this not the time that the rich allowed their "corporate citizens" to become real good and resposible citizens and pay more for the damaged and recked American and world economy.
Have these greedy rich so soon forgotten that only a few months ago the public treasury paid billions for their greed and bailed them out their corporations? And who paid the most for those bail outs? the poor and middle class America. I do not remember the rich complaining about the bailouts but that they quickly used the same bailout cash to reward theselves huge bonues. Is it not very immoral and absolutely irresposible that now they find paying more to treasury unfair and an unworkable option.
It completely makes sense that the rich pay more, from both moral and economic standpoints, than the option of printing cash. The problem is this: the republicans are so bentto use this dedt crisis, as it has been called, to squiz Obama and his government; it is a desperate effort by the republicans and their subset tea party to disfunctionalize and paralyse government and see Obama out. They are ready to do any thing and care less for anything but to economically decampaign Obama. This is their only problem. They are not ready nor willing that Obama should be the one to solve this mess. Look, I have not heard any economics or Financial expert who is truelly agaist this tax proposal. Yes, cut spending but we need all systems to deal with these monster debts. By the way, republicans and the inner-circle tea party should explicitly tell the American public where these cuts should be, if they are ready to loose votes!
Taxing silliness
It's astonishing how many rush to say that the rich should pay more as if somehow that was going to make a significant difference. It's no surprise that in the UK an extra tax on the rich is proving to have the opposite effect than that intended. Instead we should recognise that every economy NEEDS a difference between richer and poorer and that can be put to advantage. Instead of proposing ever more taxes let those who are rich have the opportunity to benefit from using their money to employ more and by so doing to increase the tax return from business in the ordinary way. We need common sense and not this tax the rich nonsense.
Taxing the rich
Mr Buffet is entirely right--the rich should pay a higher proportion of income tax.
In the US & UK, one big problem is that the majority of legislators (Senators & Congressmen, or Parlimentarians) are rich, and would be among those that have to pay increased taxes--they never legislate to their own disadvantage.
In the US, the discourse on this is so warped, that the rich are referred to not as the rich, or high income earners, but exclusively as "job creators"! (by Republicans and the media outlets that they control)
Another huge loss from public revenue, to this crowd, is the result of tax loop-holes--which help the rich to squirrel their monies in off-shore holdings.
Another tax that could be added that would help the situation in more ways then one, would be a tax on currency transactions of say, greater than 1000 euros. This would discourage those that have nothing better to do with their time than engage in currency speculation all day.
No individual, even the most rich and powerful like Buffet, can run a policy change campaign by himself. Important that all like-minded individuals go out and contribute to the fight for what they believe in!
Tax the rich!
Taxing the rich is only fair - they won't miss the money and it's needed to provide the services they use. And, one of the services the rich use and don't pay for, are all of us low income employees! Pay your fair share - it won't hurt.
Taxing the rich
With the disparity between rich and poor and between the middle class and the rich growing, the rich need to apy a higher percentage. A larger portion of the wealth is being concentrated in fewer hands.
Warren Buffet
If Mr Buffet is about to write out a cheque or three, please make it four, I could use a nice 'bonus' after sixty years in the construction business with nothing but heartache and grief to show for all those years.
I am not greedy, but a £ followed by a 1 and six noughts will do nicely Warren old pal.
taxing the rich
Of course the governments should tax them, it was the 'rich', especially those engaged in making money from dealing in money, that caused the global problems.
They speculated, forward bought and generally warped the way capitalism operated, so why not hit them hard, to try to get some of the money back.
The wealth of nations does not simply disappear, in the way it did over the last decade, by the actions of normal government activities, even if they do remain in constant deficit.
Not so strange it all happened once Thatcher and her American billionaire pals took down the regulations that kept such activities in check.
When bankers get multi millions in 'bonus's' and whole hordes of fiscal whizz kids get proportionally similar bonus levels, is it any wonder the City and Banks failed?
Of course not, sooner or later the piper must be paid, but the unfortunate thing this chapter is it's the wage and salary earner footing the bill, whilst the mega rich, made so by their financial jiggery pokery lie back on their idyllic retreats, or their ten million dollar yachts, tut-tutting, as the deprived and rapidly getting poorer mass, working or not, raise dramatic headlines when they take strike action or go about rioting and looting.
The time is long past when all governments set about re regulating the markets and banks, and to hell with the weeping and wailing that would be bound to ensue from the financial HQ's of banks and speculators etc.
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