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British expats react to David Cameron’s ‘non’ to the EU

British expats react to David Cameron’s ‘non’ to the EU

FRANCE 24 canvasses the opinions of British expatriates living and working in France following the UK’s rejection of a treaty that will bring closer integration in the EU.

By Tony Todd (text)
 

British Prime Minister David Cameron on Friday said the UK would not sign a new treaty aimed at tightening fiscal rules across the euro zone.

Is it a determined drift towards greater isolation from Europe, or is the UK right to protect its own interests beyond those of its continental neighbours?

FRANCE 24 spoke to some Britons living and working in France.

Peter Hawkins, freelance writer, Marseille

It’s not an irreversible decision, and it’s definitely more about British domestic policy than about the EU. Britain has always been the awkward partner in Europe, and I think Europe actually benefits from having an awkward partner.

From what I’m hearing I think the French are unfazed, unsurprised and unbothered. It’s just the way that it has been reported in the UK that makes Britons feel that their country is a central player on the European scene. It isn’t. Britain is on the fringes of Europe and it always has been.

Jonathan Holburn, entrepreneur, Paris

I am shocked and disappointed. This riles me incredibly. The UK is the one country in the EU that is the least committed to the euro, a currency whose survival is crucial to Britain’s economic health.

And if we’re not in Europe, where are we? Tied to the US? The euro may have been badly implemented, but Europe is committed to sorting this mess out. We should be pulling out all the stops to help our neighbours, because it is in our interests.

It’s embarrassing that this news confirms the sad truth that it is the eurosceptic little Englanders who are running the ship, and that the UK is just fiddling around on the outskirts of Europe.

Gavin Doughty, banker with HSBC, Paris

David Cameron was protecting British interests and I believe he did the right thing. In principal, keeping out and protecting the British banking sector from having to contribute a damaging transaction tax is a good idea.

I disagree with many aspects of the banking industry, but a transaction tax, which would have been imposed if the UK signed the new treaty, is a bad idea.

My French colleagues actually appreciate the way the British stand up to people the way Cameron has. And I believe they wish their own leaders would do the same. I think Nicolas Sarkozy is in a corner and Angela Merkel has him exactly where she wants him.

Britain is different from France and Germany, we have an island mentality and the French understand that.

Iain Black, barman at the Bombadier pub, Paris

The euro isn’t our currency, so why should we be expected to save it? It’s as simple as that. The overwhelming majority of income from the proposed transaction tax would come from London. Why should the City pay for the survival of the euro?

As for Cameron, I don’t really believe the reasons he gave. I think he was pandering to the right-wing British press, who love him for it, while protecting his rich friends, who will stay rich with the UK keeping its distance from Europe's problems.

As for the French, I honestly believe that they wish they were in the same position as the UK, with the power to say “no, we will not bail you out this time.”

John Airson, tourism executive, Paris

I feel that this decision - which let’s face it was inevitable - is just as much motivated by nostalgia for a time gone by, as it is in a getting-off the speeding train/economic-protectionism ploy.

I think it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if more countries attempted to go down the road of economic-independence. This is what most people are crying out for after the recent series of domino-effect economic crises.

I think the French secretly envy the British for taking this path. They trust their politicians about as much as they understand the rules of cricket.

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Cameron and the Eurozone

One of the major differences between the UK and Europe is political education. The average Brit requires something quite drastic to drag him/herslef away from beer, football, the X Factor or "Soaps" Short of a nuclear holacaust nothing will get them to focus on anything of intellectual value. The French on the other hand debate avidly fully aware of policies, strategy and necessary action. But, times are changing. Cameron and Osborne who between them appear to be hell bent on destroying what Thatcher started, has probably overplayed his hand. That object of desire of most Brits House prices, are falling steeply except for London. This means that the handy piggy bank the mortgaged house, cannot be used to buy flash cars, holidays abroad, useless electronic gadgetry and wide screen TVs. No government has survived house depreciation in the UK or the financial penalties that accompany it repossession and bankruptcy. Cameron can no longer blame the Euro, the last labour government or anyone else. He has managed in less than 18 months of ideological cuts to almost put the patient (the UK economy) beyond recovery. Unemployment continues to rise despite Cmeron and Osborne banging on about the Private Sector replacing jobs lost. Try explaining that to an IT specialist with 20 years experience on a good above average salary who can only find a part time job paying the minimum wage; or to a university lecturer faced with the same choice because of cuts. THe UK has not yet come out of recession, and by all accounts looks as though it will go deeper into recession and probably into the worst of all worlds, stagflation. The cost of basic commodities continue to rise, fuel costs continue to rise, energy costs continue to rise. These rises coupled with the cost of funding unemployment benefits and the loss of revenue from VAT, NHI and income tax, together with severely reduced spending tells its own story. The austerity program is not working. Cameron is a typical right wing ideologist, a sight worse is the Chancellor who's economic incompetence knows no bounds. The bleeding dry of the middle and working classes in the UK will continue for a little longer. Using the veto by Cameron will be the final nail in the coffin for the Tory party,the rising unemployment costs, failure to invest and damage to the financial institutions will eventually take their toll of this inept blinkered ragtag government. I was in France a little over a week ago near Pau. The difference between Pau and any City in the UK is refreshing. Pau today is like the UK used to be 30 plus years ago. People smiled, families chatted in restaurants, strangers gave bonjour. Speak to a stranger in the UK today, at the best you get a surly snarl, at the worst you could end up being assaulted, no one shows respect or politeness. Perhaps the French will understand when I say I am now more ashamed to be English than at any other time in my life. I apologise to Europe for the antics of our childish schoolboy politicians, but please don't judge us all the same way, we are part of Europe and wish to play an active part and contribute to the effort required to making Europe a prosperous group of countries capable of balancing the unbridled power of the USA.

bailing out

The people in my state get irritated every time we have to bail out California or New York due to their really stupid socialist programs. Why should Britain have to bail out Greece or Italy because those countries can't control their own socialist spending. Cameron did the right thing.

British expats react to David Cameron’s ‘non’ to the EU

So, If Cameron and the Eurosceptics succeed in removing the UK from the EU, how will your expats feel about going though the immigration process, and obtaining visas and work permits? Will they avoid it all by becoming citizens of an EU country such as France?

Cameron

Maybe its time the Uk became great and traded with the nations who wish for us to deliver the goods. Its time we decided who we accept or reject into the country or not, not Brussels.
I am fed up of the Uk paying Millions out and constantly being critised by the rest of the Eurozone.

The Euro

Britain is not a member of the Euro zone and has no rights or responsibilities for the Euro. It follows that the Euro group have no rights to interfere with British Fiscal policy. The politics of the Union are dubious when the Commission has not an audited account in its history it is unreasonable that they can demand larger contributions. The UK pays its dues to the IMF and that should be sufficient for the Euro zone as many of its members do not contribute to that fund, yet receive the to the benefits. We have already contributed a large amount to the Irish republic without ant obligation to do so whilst Germany fails to meet it's obligations to the Euro zone and is looking for an escape route which has no risk for them. The morality of their approach is the greatest danger to the Euro.

British veto

While I do not agree with some of the views expressed above, why should the UK support an organisation which has failed to have the accounts signed off for around eleven years? All the while that some states thrive on corrupt practices the Eur will never be successful. That is what needs addressing. Who elected Merkel and Sarkozy to try to push everyone around? London is a centre of international finance, and I see that Germany wants to get it all for its own banking system. I have no doubt that UK (not just England) has had some benefit from EU, but at what cost to our sovereingty? Does any country really want to give up everything and be told what to do by Brussels bureaucrats. Ireland held a referendum and the result was said to be the wrong one by Brussels - democracy Brussels style. Good for Cameron in standing up to the bully boys!

But the U.S.

Of course the U.S. prints funny money (that we don't have) for Europe because we're again bailing out the big U.S. banks. Common sense and morality be damned. Or as someone said to me recently, the rich have no country. Soon, none of the rest of us will have any country, either--no food, no clothing, no shelter. I previously thought capital accumulation was the answer but after the MF Global robbery, I see even that isn't possible. I'd say head for the hills--but what hills? Sprechen sie Mandarin?

British expats react to David Cameron’s ‘non’ to the EU

Glad to see the UK is not following the rest of the sheep.

British Expacts

I totally agree with Iain Black, very blunt and straight to the point, trust me, and time will tell, The French will be the biggest loosers once the euro collapses. Basically The Germans are leading the race, The French, Im not convinced the really want to be following the Germans!!! wait until the latest bailouts prove to be unsufficient, and big economies start to collapse needing more bailouts!! does anyone think The French will put their hands in their pockets and shellout again???? noway, They will blame the Germans!!! not theselves and may be the third conflict will start!!! at that point they will turn around and ask help, from who, emmmmmmmmmmm difficult to answer I think!!! may be The Brits will come to the rescue!!!!

Balanced reporting

Its good to see that Frrance 24 has taken an objective view on reporting the British veto. In the UK we can all see that mr Sarkozy is in a massive corner and appears to suffer from the little person problem. The worst thing about Mr Sarkozy is that he actually believes Mrs Merkel suports him. The sooner the French electorate sling this guy out the better for France and the better for Europe. Given none of teh 26 have actually signed anything and merely showed intent, the killer will always be in the detail and given to date the detail has been anything but forthcoming this is nt a done deal at all.

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