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UK should be downgraded, not us, says France

UK should be downgraded, not us, says France

French Finance Minister François Baroin and central bank chief Christian Noyer (pictured) renewed a cross-Channel economic row Friday, noting that France risks a ratings downgrade despite Britain having "as much debt, more inflation and less growth".

By News Wires (text)
 

AFP - France fuelled a burgeoning cross-Channel row on Friday, describing Britain's economy as "very worrying" as the press in London reacted with fury to French calls for British debt to be downgraded.

The row comes after Britain clashed with France at last week's EU summit and refused to join members of the eurozone single currency bloc in a new fiscal pact, prompting French President Nicolas Sarkozy to declare there are now "two Europes".

Despite widespread condemnation in London of criticisms from Paris on Thursday, Finance Minister Francois Baroin picked up the issue again on Friday, saying the French economy was in better shape than the British one.

"It's true that the economic situation in Great Britain is very worrying and that we prefer being French rather than British on the economic front at the moment," Baroin said on Europe 1 radio.

"We don't want to be given any lessons and we don't give any," he said.

Baroin's comments came as the British press on Friday slammed French officials for suggesting that ratings agencies were targeting the wrong country for a debt downgrade by looking at France.

"They should start by downgrading the United Kingdom, which has greater deficits, as much debt, more inflation and less growth than us," central bank chief Christian Noyer had told regional newspaper Le Telegramme.

French Prime Minister Francois Fillon picked up on the theme on Thursday, telling reporters in Sao Paolo that ratings agencies seemed to be ignoring the state of British government finances.

"We are challenged on the European currency, first of all because we are too indebted," he said. "But we are not the only ones. Our British friends are even more indebted than we are and have a higher deficit, but the ratings agencies do not seem to notice this."

Prime Minister David Cameron's official spokesman had rejected the French criticism, insisting Britain had a "credible" economic plan.

British officials would not be drawn into responding directly to the French attacks, but the British press reacted furiously.

Noyer's comments were dismissed as "outrageous" and "plain wrong" by The Times.

"It is simply not the job of a central bank governor to urge the downgrading of another country's credit," it added.

Popular tabloid The Sun ran a scathing leading article attacking "treacherous" Noyer under the headline "Gall of Gaul".

"You find out who your friends are in a crisis," it continued. "We shouldn't be surprised, then, when the head of the Bank of France tries to better his country's economic position by sabotaging ours."

"Monsieur Noyer, you're a AAA-rated fool," it concluded.

The Daily Telegraph, which carried "France declares war of words on Britain" as its front-page headline, quoted Conservative lawmaker David Ruffley calling the comments "another example of Gallic self-delusion on an epic scale".

The concerted French attack came ahead of elections next year and as France's statistics agency warned Thursday the country will fall into a mild recession in the final quarter of this year and the first quarter of 2012.

Analysts said French officials seemed to be looking to deflect attention from the country's own economic concerns.

In its morning briefing note, British foreign exchange firm Moneycorp described Noyer's attack as "a clumsy attempt to divert attention from the possibility that France itself could lose its triple-A rating."

US ratings agencies Standard & Poor's and Moody's have warned that France is close to losing its prized triple-A debt rating over fears that eurozone members cannot control their rising debt and deficits.

Britain, which is outside the euro and which has the Bank of England to act as a lender of last resort in the event of debt problems, is seen as a safe haven by bond buyers as the debt crisis engulfs the eurozone on its doorstep.

The shock decision by Britain a week ago to stand aside from a new European Union architecture to control budgets has caused strains between the EU and Britain.

But Poland, which is coming to the end of its presidency of EU meetings, said on Friday that Britain would send experts to a meeting of the other 26 EU members at the end of the month on saving the 17-nation eurozone

Comments (8)

UK should be downgraded

Oh lala lala i`m yawning!!! It is obvious that most of the countries that voted for that fiscal pact were actually those receiving money from the French and German taxpayers so they had to vote "for" otherwise their bread will not be buttered anymore. One would have expected the Finance Minister of a counrty like France to know that France`s ability to maintain a healthy financial status was weighed alongside the eurozone economies which except for Germany (the eurozone`s major bankroller)are in tatters. It now clearly confirms that Britain was right to stay out of the Euro (and the Schengen with all its immigration problems which forced Sarkozy to recently make a U-turn). We woll be proved right again, as you`ll find out very soon with countries finding difficulty in their parliarments to approve the phoney fiscal proposals when the details are disected.

Finally, i think it`s about time Sarkozy grew up and start behaving like an adult, and a President. He should stop behaving like a spoilt child whose chocolate bar has been taken away whenever he can`t have his way (in front of cameras), it`s embarassing to the French. He should learn simple courtesy in front of the world press and stop acting childish like he did against Cameron....he looked more the loser. He is not European President (and can`t be), and this is not affairs of some other parts of the world where he forces and gets his way.

UK should be downgraded, not us, says France

I'd be very worried if my country had a finance minister with as poor an understanding of financial markets as Mr.Baroin .... best of luck to you!

French Attacks On UK Economy

David Cameron did the right thing using the veto as shown by this last week’s news from Paris has unfolded. The attacks on our economy are unforgivable & are just causing the French to lack any credibility to the rest of the world - The Americans are laughing at you, it’s just caused the microscope to be focused on you deeper. I don’t want to be associated with the likes of our ex friends across the channel. I now look forward to you losing your cherished ‘AAA’ status as 99% of UK citizens do. Gobshite!

French attack on UK economy

The French Finance Minister [Mr Baroin] should learn that people in glass houses should not throw stones.
When, and if the EU financial policies are clearly outlined, understood and fully accepted by it's members and the proof of removal from debt is demonstrated then he may be able to spout his drivel.
I for one firmly believe that when the other so called 'pact of aggreement members' fully understand what they will lose and just what it will cost them by signing up to the cooked up and as yet undisclosed plan of Sarcosy and Merkell.
They may well want to get out and not be a party to those measures - we will all see once the writing is on the wall for to everyone and comment on.
Until the Mr Finance Minister, look to your own mess before you start to criticise others who have been a bit more honest.

Working Together

Noyer's comments remind me of my two children arguing!
I'm British first, European second - but I believe we are all in this together and we need to work together for all our sakes!
Come-on Cameron, Come-on Sarcozy - kiss and make-up! You have more important things to do - saving Europe!

Downgrading France Credit rating

Oh dear, sour grapes or what!!! With the great MerKozy Euro deal beginning to falter even before it has really started it is to be expected that France politicians would attempt to deflect comments away from the mess the euro is in and who better to target than the poor old Brits!! Perhaps if France had kept the franc they would still have a chance of not having their credit rating reduced!!!!

french twats

french twats

Silly people

In the case of the Germans they think the world owes them a living because they can weld a couple of bits of metal together and flog said as Made In Germany top quality top dollar etc. However the two bits of metal have gotten way too expensive besides the weld isn't very good either – This has become progressively more obvious. Plus virtually every Asian nation and his dog sandwich can do the same job for half the price. And then you have French engineering!! – Ok it's cheap(er) but the quality is even worse than the Asian stuff... which is cheaper again. So what else can you clever little continental chappies do? I know you could use the holiday rim as a heatsink to drag down your currencies, avoid the fate of the Japanese. But the rim doesn't want to pay the price for your industrial inefficiencies any more and blood will run. Your little Franco Germanic game is nearly played out.. One things for sure though we'll (Anglo-Saxon world) still be here shaping your culture / and virtually every other aspect of your life just the same as we have for the last thousand years ~ for the next thousand -> So don't you go wasting your time worrying about us! :)

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