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Lawmakers back genocide bill, Turkey recalls envoy
France's lower house passed a bill Thursday making it illegal to deny genocide, including the Ottoman Turks' 1915 massacre of Armenians. Turkey responded by recalling its ambassador and accusing France of committing genocide in Algeria in the 1940s.
The French National Assembly passed a bill on Thursday that would criminalise the denial of genocides recognised by France, including the massacre of Armenians in 1915, prompting swift condemnation from Turkey.
Ankara immediately recalled its Paris ambassador after the vote had gone through, and hours later announced that is was suspending all political visits and was freezing military cooperation with France.
At home, French President Nicolas Sarkozy was accused of allowing the vote to take place in order to appeal to the significant Armenian vote in France ahead of next year’s elections.
The bill, which outlaws the denial of any crime against humanity that is officially recognised as genocide by the French state, will now have to go before the Senate for approval. Only then can it be signed off by the executive.
According to Bernard Accoyer, the speaker of the National Assembly, this may not happen until the end of 2012, well after presidential and legislative elections which will take place in May.
In the meantime French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s centre-right UMP party, which is suffering in opinion polls, will have won broad support from France’s 500,000 ethnic Armenian voters.
Patrick Devedjian, an UMP parliamentarian of Armenian origin, praised the vote by the lower house of France's parliament.
“The purpose of this bill is to stop foreign nations coming to France and pushing discriminatory propaganda against people living here,” he told FRANCE 24.
“We are not seeking to re-write history; the Armenian genocide is an established fact, an undeniable truth.”
Damaging relations with Turkey
Turkey blames the “French executive” for the initiative and has piled intense diplomatic pressure on France ahead of the vote.
But while the bill enjoys broad cross-party support, some senior UMP politicians worry that it will damage important political and economic ties with Turkey.
According to satirical weekly newspaper Le Canard Enchaine, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said the bill was “stupid”, his office not denying the report.
Former Foreign Minister Herve de Charette told FRANCE 24 on Thursday that the proposed law is “useless and dangerous domestically” and “disastrous for our foreign policy”.
“We need Turkey to help sort out the dreadful situation in Syria and this is a country with which we have important trade links. Turkey is a friend, and this bill is going to seriously damage that friendship,” he added.
The member of parliament said he did not believe the bill would be passed “in the coming months” and that the debate had taken place for “purely political reasons”.
Bill ‘killed in the Senate’
The idea of criminalising genocide denial in France beyond the Second World War Jewish Holocaust (law of July 1990) is nothing new.
According to left-leaning French newspaper Liberation on Thursday, Sarkozy promised his support for the bill while campaigning for the presidency in 2007, but quickly forgot about it once he was elected.
In diplomatic dispatches revealed by whistle-blowing website Wikileaks in 2010, France’s senior diplomat David Levitte assured the Turks on a visit to Ankara that “Sarkozy will make sure that the bill on the Armenian genocide is killed in the Senate.”
Which is exactly what happened in May 2011, when the then UMP-dominated Senate voted to dismiss the notion, sending the bill back to the National Assembly for another try.
A century of acrimony
Armenians claim that up to 1.5 million of their forebears were systematically murdered by Ottoman troops in 1915 in what they say amounted to genocide.
They also say that property and cash criminally appropriated from the Christian Armenian minority helped Kemal Attaturk, the founder of modern Turkey, establish his Turkish republic in 1923 – something they say Turks are nowadays loath to admit.
Turkey admits that up to 500,000 Armenians were killed during that period but the country’s official line is that the death toll was due to Armenians siding with invading Russian forces in the heat of the First World War and that just as many Turkish soldiers and civilians were killed in the fighting.
The country has branded the French bill an “attack on freedom of expression” and believes that the facts should be debated by historians, and not made the subject of political dogma supported by the force of law.
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Does anyone know what I mean genocide france?
France deal with their own internal problems. The Armenian genocide is a lie france damage. France and NATO ally Turkey as well as extensive trade. The reality of politics is not the act of another country to question the exact date unknown. The Turkish people were very angry gonna happen now? The only Muslim country in NATO of the turkey and instead of taking him with us to make a powerful enemy mantıklımı friendly? Europe in crisis, inadequate manpower economies are collapsing like dominos in Europe and France are the drum to the loss of export market. intelligent Frenchman of himself to suspicion. Russia and Iran, NATO threatened to hit his back next to the friends with whom.
Why?
Why France has to protect Armenians? Turks are more powerful,strength,the best geographically position.France should try to win Turkey as an ally.But France trys to lose Turkey.French people and turkish people have zero problem but sarkozy and his governmen always making against to Turkey.Naturally most of the turks hate france right now.
That bill is nonscense like medieval age countries.Turkey-UK-USA they are getting more ally but france is getting alone.I hope french people will not vote to sarkozy in next elections.
French Genocide Bill
So, let us get this point. The French massacred hundreds of thousands in Algeria; not genocide? The Spanish massacred hundreds of thousands in Central and South America; not genocide? Armenians massacred thousands of Turks in Nogorno Karabakh and made one million refugees; not genocide? Serbs massacred thousands of Bosnian Muslims in Bosnia; not genocide? Native North Americans massacred and their lands taken; not genocide? Tasmanian Aborigines hunted and massacred by the British(no Aborigines in Tasmania today); not genocide? The list goes on and on. Please apply equal universal standards before singling out Ottoman killings of Armenians. This is a political move to discredit and possibly destroy Turkey.
Kebob
We all should stop buying Turkish kebob.what else backward Turks sell and make.
Armenian Genocide
To all ignorant Turks Genocide did happen.Viva la France.
Killing of freedom of speech
Back to dark ages where you belong France you have taken the right step by killing off freedom of speech
Genocide Bill
So, what is the French Government going to do when this bill is passed??? Put 5 million French citizens (Muslims and Turks) in jail for one year? Better start building bigger prisons. What about majority of 5 million who can not afford to pay the fine? Does not make sense to anyone except the French :-D
is sarkozy ermanian background
i will no longer buy french products nor visit there country
How many Jews did the French
How many Jews did the French put onto trains at the request of the Nazi regime ?
the bill means they can't prove the genocide
the bill regarding the armenian genocide shows that the accusers can't prove their claim regarding the armenian genocide. turkey had said that she was ready to discuss the matter in deatil. perhaps the accusers are right in terms of their arguments. but passing a bill banning people from telling their ideas regarding the matter in spite of accepting turkey's invitation to discuss the matter means that: "We can't prove our claim. Let's silence the truth!" one can't help asking: "is France (or the whole Occident) tired of freedom of speech. It seems a new cycle is in progress in which the West yearns to play the barbarian.
Remember the history of the French !!!!!
Remember the history of the French !!!!
Charles of Germany taken prisoner Francois of France, following the Pavye War on 24th of February 1525, and Francois’ mother Duchess Dangolen wrote a letter to Suleyman the Magnificent and sent it with ambassador Count Jan do Franjipan.
The letter of the queen as below:
“ I had left my son’s freedom to the fairness of Charles. But, he is insulting my son. I entreaty you to make my son free with your great world sovereignty, and grand power that the world recognised”.
At first, when Francis I was captured by Charles V, he sent a letter requesting help from the Ottoman ruler, Suleiman the Magnificient. On February 6, 1526, French envoy Frangipani returned with the Sultan’s letter:
“I, sultan of sultans, king of kings, the shadow of God who bestows the crown to the monarchs on earth, the supreme ruler of the Mediterranean and Black Seas, the Balkans and Anatolia, Azerbaijan, Damascus and Halep, Egypt, Mecca and Medina, Jerusalem, and all of the Arab dominions, and Yemen, and the sultan and the supreme king of many nations,
I am the son of Sultan Selim Khan and grandson of Sultan Bayezid Khan, and you, King Francis, are the governor of the French province.
You have sent to my Gate, the sanctuary of many kings, a letter by the hand of your faithful servant Frangipani. He has made known to me how the enemy overran your country, so you are now a captive. You have asked aid, for your deliverance. All this your saying having been set forth at the foot of my throne, which controls the world. Your situation has gained my imperial understanding in every detail, and I have considered all of it.
There is nothing astonishing in emperors being defeated and made captive. Keep your heart content and do not grieve. In these situations our glorious predecessors and illustrious ancestors, may God keep alight their tombs, never ceased from making war to drive back their foe and conquer his lands. We ourselves have followed their path; we have at every time conquered provinces and citadels both great in strength and in difficulty of approach. By night as well as by day our horse is always saddled, and our saber ever girded on.
May God the Most High advance righteousness! May His will, whatsoever it portends, be accomplished. For the rest, ask it from your envoy and be informed. Know that it will be as said.”
"Written . . . from the residence of the Empire, from Constantinople, the well guarded”
Turks would not give an
Turks would not give an account to anybody, no matter who you are. They spend lost of money on french merchandises such as cars and cosmetic products. Its about $12 BILLION a year. So what if we all just boycott french products? Better think twice, just saying...
Gallic sanctimoniousness
France ascending the moral high ground for events alleged to have occurred in 1915! Sacre bleu!!
Algeria? Muruoa Atoll? Rainbow Warrior? Mon dieu!
NO
Bu yazıyı kopyala France 24 e yapıştır.
Dans l'histoire de la Turquie, il n'y a
pas d'oppression comme celle de la
France. Dans l'histoire de la Turquie, il n’y a
de tâches comme les massacres
commises par la France au Rouanda
et en Algérie. Et dand l'histoire de la Turquie, il
n'y a pas d'occupation comme la
France l'avait realisé à Antep et à
Maras en Turquie!
armenian law bill
12 Western nations using all ethnic groups in Ottoman Empire tried to invade all Turkish lands in WW1 .. from 1915 to 1923 Turks have fought in 6 fronts against 12 Nations. in Balkans about 1.000.000 Turks lost their lives no Turkish sign is left alive in any old Ottoman land after the war .
Totally about 3.5 million people in Ottoman lands lost their lives in WW1 .. more than 3 million were Turks .. So did Armenians ,Arabs, Abkhazs; Lazis; Bosniacs and Pomaks lost their lives in this bloody war. A new Turkish nation was built after the ruins of this Ottoman empire which lives for the last 89 years. Now after 100 years those same western nations who have provoked all those ethnicities against each other ask Turks to accept they are genociders.
No sir.. you are the real genociders .. killing more than 50 million in 2 world wars using tons of bombs on dresden levelling hiroshima and nagazaki with atomic bombs .. Killing millions of ukranians and tatars and dagestanis.. totally genociding a nation of cherkeazi.. in ww2..
Dont teach us humanity .. we Turks killed people yes.. Just to survive against a full western war machine and protected our future and nationality and we shall do the same if we need to in the future so dont ever try it again.... and go learn from your own ancestors enquisition chambers what genocide is... You all should be ashamed of your history and ancestral heritage.. Not Turks. less
politicians has to listen voice of public
French MPs and Turkish MPs has several problems in their hand.If I put my Turkish hat on my head turkish archives is hiddem and tabood like the kuran plus khadis(books referenced on times of mohammed the moslem prophet).So Turkey brought the turks in western europe out infront of french parliament like as though they were celebrating some event placed infront of the french parliament rather proving that armenian opinion on genocide is wrong in attending fringe meetings and calling and lobbying mps and explaining them that the armenian opinion is wrong.but turkey had done nothing at all due to goot Turkish French business and plolitical relationship.The other is if I put French or western european hat on my head,there was nothing wrong in putting this legistation forward.looking at Turkey it is still developing and needs more to develop and needs to understand that it has problems like the armenian issue and that needs to be tackled as well as freedom of speech to equal rights ,since erdogan is in power turkey still needs alot of work to do and has no place in europe it must be withing its own ottoman commonwealth like the brittish commonwelth and has no place in europe.now other europeans in the east where Turks live like macedonia,albania,bulgaria,greece plus moldavia (moldavias ghagausians are Turkish Christians Plus they read bible on greek alphabet).simply media the press and political advisers in both turkey and france needs to have good dialogue and have to make good communication links but theres nothing properly done in either side and wipping and then the other is shouting.
"Valuing Truth"
Just ask yourselves, whose job it is, valuing the truth; historians(as no armenian historian could courage to face a turkish historian with documents for searching the TRUTH, and all the Turkey's arcieves are widely opened and offered for every one to search the TRUTH!), or nearly 50 politicians(acts for vote)?... Please, leave the history for HISTORIANS..
French double standards
The French clearly want to forget the atrocities of WW2 so why are they judging on an historical event that may or may not have happened, is it anything to do with them not wanting Turkey in th EU, unlike Great Britain?
Turkey
I would ask the French parliament before accusing Countries of their past history to review their brutality in the Countries they have occupied in Africa?????
Their invasion & ignorance when they inviaded with Great Britan China & distroyed their
Temple same as Talban did with their Temples????
It really amazes me how these people forget about their horrible past & just remember others......
bye bye France
A very good decision of great friend of Armenia,
Renault factory s removed to Armenia , let te armenians buy these cars , we dont need them anymore. France has became an enemy of Turkey , bravo Sarkozy !!!
Everybody knows who is guilty
It is estimated that over 37 million people were casualties in World War I. The number of 37 million refers to both military and civilian casualties. So yes there was a massacre. and If ıt was crime, everybody is guilty.
But please explain to me, Who killed these people
800.000 people killed in Rwanda in 100 days (one person every 7 min)
50.000 people killed in Azarbaijan on 31 March
French people are no saints
French people should review their own DARK history... French committed crimes against africans making them their slaves like most european...
They should also be brought to court and judge!
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it
My grandmother was an Armenian from Istanbul and my grandfather was a Balkan Turk. None of my Armenian relatives living in Istanbul were picked up by Turkish forces and put to death while Jews in France, Hungary and Poland were picked up one by one and put to death basicly because they were only JEWS. Now I ask: what is the definition of GENOCIDE or HOLOCOUST? Armenians did not go through all this tragedy because they were Armenians, but because they revolted with the help of French and Russian and in fact killed many Turks in eastern provinces. This is something that is ignored by West. No human life is less valuable that the other and human dignity is equally important for all races, religions and ethnicities. If we don't agree on this, then we are racist.
I have no opposition against the recognition of mass killings of Armenians. I have a problem with the term genocide and with hypocrisy that have no compassion for the mass killings of Turks. This is not a one-sided story and there is so much pain both parties suffer. Pomping hate does not help. Many people commenting on forums have no historical knowledge and they just speak out with hate they have been given. Do not be SHEEP and receive what is DICTATED! Turks are said to be in denial but in fact Armenians and whole west are in denial. If we are going to back up certain people just because we have the same religion or interest and oppose the other because they belong to another religion or race, then we can never serve the truth.
I am proud of my Armenian blood and relatives, and I am extremely sensitive with their pain. Horrible things happened to them that we never wanted to take place. but I am also a Turkish citizen and I know the story of the other side. I am furious about this bill because it is so insensetive, apathetic and deaf to the pain of Turks. I dont care what measures our government will take, but I will personally stop purchasing French products such as Yves Rocher and Vichy. I will use my personal embargo right. I know many will follow as well. I will pressure my government so they will not to step back with 1st phase measures even if this bill is not passed by senate. Until the whole world realizes the pain, tragedy and massacre Turks went through, we should never STOP.
Love France 24
Dear Sirs, I have to say wholst not winning any of your competitions the quality and balance of your reporting is putting our BBC in the UK to shame.Many congratulations to your editorial and reporting staff for allowing people like me in London to understand the politics and thinking outside the UK is a completely impartial way, which we are finding ever harder to secure. Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and all power to your continuing to deliver great news.
Genocide
First of all? Do you remember anything about Rwanda, or What do you think about the genocide to be 1,174,000 in 100 days (10,000 murdered every day, 400 every hour, 7 every minute)
In first world war, 37 million people died so Every body can say there was a genocide.
And the reason that everybody knows,
There are some half a million ethnic Armenians living in France and their vote is considered important in next year's presidential election, our correspondent notes. BBC NEWS EUROPA
Decline of The Grand Nation
Last year the French offended the Chinese. This year they have managed to offend the Spanish, the Italians and only last week the Brits. French foreign policy is a total mess.The problem is the Grand Nation is not so Grand. Great at cooking not so great at wars!
Do not Buy crappy French Goods
Well.
Ok The bill passed . So What? who gives a rats ass.
France is little European country who think they are hot shots..
I am just not goingt to buy gilette anymore. Thats all concerns me:)
Genocide
I think The French Parliament before looking what Turkey did with the Armenian.
Should first look at what the French Occupation did in Africa as far as Torturing people & the Massive killings. Over & above abusing all the mineral sources for France leaving the occupied Countries suffering from hunger.
France should be penalized for the brutal act during their occupation.
Let me guess, Armenians in France just sold theirs votes?
Let me guess, Armenians in France just sold theirs votes? So this is ilegal, and why they don't seak justice in United Nation Internation Court of Justice in Hague, why they bring France in the middle of the historical problem old about 100 years?
Gallic sanctimoniousness
France ascending the moral high ground denouncing Turkey for occurrences in 1915--sacre bleu!!
Muruoa atoll--Rainbow Warrior---Algeria!! Mon Dieu.
explore the real history
I dont believe armenian genocide as a French citizen.. This is absolutely fake of sarkozy. You will see the facts, when you explore the history.
a complete disgrace
What about Rwanda Genocide? Let's talk about this now!..
Genecide of Armenians
This genecide is a classic example of what will happen to France and all Europe as Islamic Sharia expands. Nothing has changed in Turkey in the past 97 years!
Worldwide Boykot french products by Turks
Our organization already sent a list to our members for boykot french products.
Your economy already down, so you BOMB Lybia.
Turkish people 80 Mio. will boykot your products in future.
Greetings from Algeria
Remember murdered turkish diplomats by armenian terrorists
! ! ! R E M E M B E R !!!
22nd October 1975 - Turkish Embassy in Vienna
The Turkish Ambassador Danis Tunaligil was killed by three Armenian ASALA terrorists in his study. [10] [11]
24th October 1975 - Turkish Embassy in Paris
On the way back to the embassy, the Turkish Ambassador Ismail Erez and his driver Talip Yener during an assassination attempt in Paris to be killed. On the same day professes an organization called ASALA in the AFP to stop.
16th February 1976 - Beirut
The Secretary General of the Turkish Embassy in Beirut Oktay Cirit is killed by ASALA.
9th June 1977 - Rome
The Turkish Ambassador Taha Carim succumbs to an assassination perpetrated on him. [12] [11]
12th June 1978 - Madrid
The wife of the Turkish ambassador and the former ambassador Necla Kuneralp Beşir Balcioglu are killed in Madrid by the ASALA.
12th October 1979 - The Hague
Ahmet Benler, the son of the Turkish Ambassador to the Netherlands died from the consequences of a firearms attack. At this stop, both the known and the ASALA Armenian justice command. [12] [11]
22nd December 1979 - Turkish Embassy in Paris
An employee of the Turkish embassy for 'tourism and promotion, "Yilmaz Copan is killed.
6th February 1980 - Bern
The Armenian terrorist organization ASALA perpetrated an attack on the Turkish Ambassador Dogan Turkmen. Turkmen survived the attack.
17th April 1980 - Rome
The ASALA perpetrated an attack on the Turkish ambassador Vecdi Türel. Türel Güvenç Tahsin and his bodyguard were wounded there.
31st July 1980 - Turkish Embassy in Athens
Galip Ozmen, Administrative Attaché of Turkish Embassy, and his 14-year-old daughter Neslihan Ozmen were killed in an attack on the family. The wife Sevil Ozmen and their son Kaan Ozmen escaped wounded. ASALA claimed responsibility for this attack. [12] [11]
26th September 1980 - Turkish Embassy in Paris
The spokesman of the Turkish Embassy Selçuk Bakkalbaşı is wounded in an attack of ASALA.
10th November 1980 - Rome
In two of ASALA attacks on a Swiss travel agency and an office of Swissair five people were injured. [13] [11]
17th December 1980 - Sydney
The Consul General of the Turkish Embassy Sarik Arıyak Seven Engin and his bodyguard were killed in an attack.
4th March 1981 - Turkish Embassy in Paris
The staff of the Turkish Embassy addressees Morali and religion Tecelli Officer Ari were victims of an assassination of two terrorists as they left the embassy grounds and wanted to get into their cars. Morali died immediately and Ari on the consequences of the attack in a Paris hospital. Also at this stop is known ASALA. This was the third Armenian terrorist attack in Paris to Turkish citizens. [12] [11]
9th June 1981 - Geneva
To the Secretary of the Turkish Consulate Mehmet Savaş Yergüz was perpetrated on the way home a stop, the Yergüz did not survive. ASALA claimed responsibility for the attack. After the attack, the Lebanese-Armenian assassin Maridiros Camgozyan arrested and sentenced to 15 years in jail under tougher conditions. [12] [11]
24th September 1981 - Turkish Embassy in Paris
56 Turkish embassy staff were taken by four Armenian terrorists in the occupation of the embassy and Kulturataché building hostage. When trying to fight back the security guard came to Cemal Ozen. The Consul Kaya Inal was injured by the terrorists. In exchange for the release of the hostages, the terrorists demanded the release of 12 political prisoners in Turkey. After 15 hours had passed and the kidnappers realized that their demands were not met, they gave up. Also, this attack was on the account of ASALA. The terrorists Vasken Sakosesilian, Kevrok Gözliyan Abraham, Aram Avedis Basmaciyan and Agop Abraham Turfanyan were sentenced to seven years. [12] [11]
28th January 1982 - Los Angeles
The Turkish Consul General Kemal Arıkan is killed in an attack.
4th May 1982 - Boston
The Turkish Consul General Orhan Gunduz was killed.
7th July 1982 - Lisbon
The Administrative Attaché of Turkish Embassy Erkut Akbay Nadide Akbay and his wife are killed in an attack.
7th August 1982 - Ankara
At the first stop of the ASALA on Turkish soil in Ankara airport, 8 people were killed and 72 people injured. [13] [12] [11]
9th September 1982 - Burgas
The Administrative Attaché of the Turkish Consulate General Süelkan Bora is killed in an attack.
27th December 1982 - Ottawa
The Military Attaché of Turkish Embassy Colonel Atilla Altıkat is killed in an attack.
9th March 1983 - Turkish Embassy in Belgrade
The Ambassador Galip Balkar, is killed in an attack, his driver Necati Kaya seriously injured
15th July 1983 - Turkish Embassy in Paris
The ASALA committed a bomb attack on the Turkish Airlines office in Paris Orly Airport. Two Turks, four Frenchmen, one American and one Swede were killed. 63 people were injured in the attack .. [13] [12] [11]
27th July 1983 - attack on the Turkish Embassy in Lisbon
Armenian terrorists stormed the Turkish Embassy and violating the Affaires Mıhçıoğlu Yurtsever and his son to kill his wife Cahide Mıhçıoğlu and a Portuguese policeman.
27th March 1984 - Tehran
The Turkish Embassy is attacked and injured the employee.
8th April 1984 - Ottawa
The economic advisor to the Turkish Embassy Kemalettin Kani is badly wounded - but survived with permanent physical limitations.
28th April 1984 - Tehran
The wife of the secretary Sadiye Yönder the Turkish Embassy in Tehran and the Turkish businessman Işık Yönder were victims of an assassination of ASALA. [12] [11]
20th June 1984 - Vienna
The Vice consultants working for the Turkish Embassy Erdogan Ozen is killed.
19th November 1984 - Turkish Embassy in Vienna
The Turkish director of the United Nations Evner Ergun is killed in his office.
12th March 1985 - Ottawa
The Turkish Embassy is stormed by Armenian terrorists, a Canadian security guard is killed. The Ambassador Coskun Kirca wounded.
Why Armenians manipuale Photos
read this: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/forgeries-fotos.htm
If the genocide is true, why the Armenians fake pictures ???
How many turks died in the World War 1 ?
Remember Berg Karabagh
absurd
Shame on your freedom of expression. France has relegated itself to third world country? Where is the facts? Where is the MASS GRAVES? Fancy relying on some ethnic votes to try and cling to power. Turkey should keep the border closed forever with armenia. Poor little brainwashed souls.
no genocide
no genocide no genocide.... where do i have to pay 45.000 euro.
Arduan Pm
Turkey Going down with this islamistic PM of turkey. he wants to take back the turkey people to O'tmans Empire. Arduan Shut your ass! The Truth came out! you are terrorist like the Hamas In Gaza!
The Turks have agood point.
Too bad we have to wait until the end of your story to get the Turkish side. Their explanations are not only historically correct (the war, the Armenian insurrection) but also reasonable (as many Turks also died). Maybe the French should vote a law apologizing for encouraging the Armenian revolt to just let them down when the Turks reacted. Leave history to the historians!
In an interesting twist in history, it was Krudish troops inthe Ottoman armpy who killed the Armenians. Now the Kurds claim they are victims of the Turks.
RAFAEL LEMKIN COINED THE TERM GENOCIDE
THE WORD "GENOCIDE" WAS COINED BY RAFAEL LEMKIN and the reason was the killing of the armenians by the turks.The term HOLOCAUST was used by Churchill for the first time to describe the killing of the armenians by the turks long before the nazi coming to power in Germany.TURKS COMMITTED THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.It was very well planned and organized event,by first drafting the men into the army and killing them and then raping and killing the armenian women and children in the most sadistic way.
THE YOUNG TURKS
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3603london's_young_turks.html
http://www.homepage-link.to/turkey/morgenthau.html
It is very dramatic decision
It is very dramatic decision for gaining votes , i wish it worths because the answer from turks may be though
France lost an ally
Just for having votes of Armenian citizens France did a historical mistake, first should look to its own history genocides, not even mentioning about the impact to freedom of speech with applying 45,000Eur penalty if someone says "No I dont believe in the Genocide" Do French people know in detail What Sarkozy have been doing?
What about Freedom Of Speech?
Whether it is about democracy or human rights, no country in this world has a right to say they are setting a good example to others, or to impose their own opinions. For example, America pushed in the Middle East to bring democracy but we still see blood-shed in the region on daily or weekly basis. France, who avoids talking about its colonial past when asked, is one of many western countries that looks down on other democratic systems.
This is a political decision which goes against human
rights. This bill restricts freedom of speech and punishes anyone who discusses the Armenian genocide in any way other than the dictated or described one. This reminds me of
Henry the VIII and other feudal systems of the time, where ordinary people had no voice. I say ordinary people because obviously as long as you can afford to pay £29,000 you can say whatever you like against the Armenian genocide. (New revenue for the struggling French economy I suppose, or perhaps some extra money for the French president’s hair-care)
One thing that this bill does guarantee however, is the
Armenian votes in the upcoming French elections. By the way, I should be very surprised if this gets published, as I do not believe there is freedom of speech in France any more.
Thanks
Turkey & the Armenian Genocide Bill
I support President Sarkozy for having the moral courage to proceed with this bill and acknowledge that the genocide of the Armenians took place. Will he now also have the courage to condemn the illegal policies, the deliberate state sponsored terrorism and murder of Palestinians which is in itself just as disgraceful and even more so considering the two incidents are separated by nearly a century. France and the rest of the EU need to strongly condemn the state of Israel and put pressure on this pariah of the Middle East. It is no use whatsoever involving the USA, they apparently where the state of Israel is concerned rush to its aid using the veto. Democracy is I believe the acceptance of truth, the support of the oppressed and the self determination of a people. On the grounds alone, the President should intervene on behalf of the palastinian people.
Care about Armenians so much ? Give them French Citizenship...
Madame Boyer should move to Yerevan and understand why so many Armenians (which we have no problem with as Turkish Citizens; they work in our homes, they live here normally) flee to Turkey to survive and find a better life... PLUS, if France cares so much about Human Rights and Armenians, why don't they provide citizenship to Armenians and citizens from old French Colonies and invite them to France to work & live... Don't bullshit anybody...
France Turkey
Hooray for the French who value the truth over diplomatic relations!
Sarcozy
Is there any country who betray their history of democracy and freedom of expression with a weird law that limit thought and expression all over the world??..the answer is France...I feel shame trying to get into EU that is managed by this coward country...I am sorry but you are sentenced to lose mr Sarcozy...
Genocide is defined like the crime under international law!
Genocide is defined like the crime under international law, so only who is authorized to give genocide verdict is tribunal, not politicians, not historians, they are not authorized for genocide verdict by international law.
you must apoligize from orthodox
France army how meny orthodox has killed?
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