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Where Bibles are burnt
FRANCE 24 reporters travelled to the Indian state of Orissa to investigate brutal religious violence by Hindu extremists. Thirty-two Christians have been killed, their churches vandalised and their villages razed.

The Indian state of Orissa, in the east of the country, is the theatre of a religious war that few people talk about, the traditional religious flashpoint in the country being between Hindus and Muslims. But FRANCE 24's reporting team came here to hear the horrific stories of people who say they are the victims of a new kind of profound religious bigotry.

The hatred stems from the extremist teachings of a Hindu guru named Swami Laxmananda Sarazwahti. Since his murder in August, attacks on Christians have multiplied. Sarazwahti claimed that Christians, backed by the USA and Europe, were trying to take over India. Extremist Hindus blame Christians for the guru's murder.

These Hindus and Christians have lived side by side for 20 years, but due to the poisonous words of Sarazwahti and the fervour of his followers, violence soon followed his death. His organization, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, lives on and Indians who have converted to Christianity are especially targeted. Christians in Orissa have seen their churches vandalised and, their villages razed to the ground; 32 people have been killed. Some have even been burnt alive.

Most of these Christians have left their ruined villages altogether and have gone to refugee camps for shelter. But they do not feel safe there, and for good reason: Hindus armed with sticks and knives have been trying to steal their food. In this climate of fear, conversions to Hinduism are on the rise.

Some say the violence can be traced back to the nationalist Hindu party BJP coming to power in 2000. They say the BJP is orchestrating and encouraging the violence. The situation is unlikely to improve soon, since the BJP is hoping for a third mandate in elections in Orissa early next year.

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HINDU FASCISM IN SECULAR INDIA

The sangh parivars (rss,vhp, bajrangdal,etc ) clear-sighted aim is to establish Hitler's Aryan rule in India, and impose the Manu Code with its caste-norms. Just as for the Nazis, the Jews were a great threat, so the sangh parivar considers the Muslims, Christians, Dalits, socialists, communists and modern Hindus a great threat.

The Sangh parivars definition of Nation, is not acceptable. It is monocultural negating other religions and people. The struggle between the Brahminical forces under the disguise of Hindu nationalism on the one hand and the dream of an egalitarian, pluralistic and democratic Indian State and society on the other hand, will determine the direction and the destiny of the Indian State and society.

Please visit India before judging the country

If you travel in India and stay with Hindu families, you will realise the deep respect that Hindus have for all religions and cultures.. And how conversion by other religions are so aggressively done thru money and muscle. But I am not here to condemn or belittle any religion .. just to request the author, not to demonise any community without knowing facts.. if you wish to understand a problem, please go to the roots.. be objective in reporting.. meet people of both views and listen patiently.. stay more than just a week in a place and do deeper research.. report things even if they are uncomfortable... as for me, i would condemn violence immaterial of who does it.. whether a hindu or a christian or a muslim.. but lets not be driven by our prejudices while reporting...

I´m shocked

I lived in India and I am shocked by the reaction of some Hindus!!! Justifying murder over forcefull conversions?!? That´s absurd?? Let´s wake upt, people!!!

The Truth

This is the truth but there are people here who whatch this news and see the truth but are unwilling to accept it just because they wan to justify or don't want to condemn their own faith people. india is a free land and we've laws and no one is above the law even the different religions. whatever the christians are doing in India, everything is done under the law, if you think so much about the people of India then why don't you go and become a missionary of your own religion rather than spilling your anger and being abusive here in this site? wake up and face the truth. the best way to solve the problem is not to accuse anyone but face the truth. stop acusing the western christian nations and start changing your heart which is getting filled by hate and anger.
India is not hindu nor christian nor muslim nor budhist nor sikh land it's the land of the indians and there are several religions, if you want to expand or save your religion then become a missionary of your own religion and start preaching your religion and preach among the christians and muslims and sikhs and budhist. why show power to the peacefull followers of Christ? you've got the freedom to do that you do the same. STOP BLAMING SOMEONE ELSE FOR YOUR OWN WEAKNESSES.
IT'S TIME FOR YOU ALL TO REALIZE THAT THIS INHUMAN ACT IS HAPPENING IN OUR OWN HOMELAND WHERE WE ALL GREW UP PLAYING TOGETHER.

False report

Being a citizen of Orissa I can swear in the name of god that this is totally false information...First of all the Orissa state government has banned access of any journalist to riot hit Kandhamal district...It is banned from day 1 after the riots...what ever you can see is through govt press.....second thing is in Orissa the fight is not between Hindu and christian...but it's between the Kui Kondh tribals and the converted pana christians...For years the Converted Pana christians have been forcefully occupying lands of poor tribals with the help of missionaries and second thing is they are taking all the money that is comming through different means for the upliptment of tribals...One more thing is that the pana christians are forcefully converting tribals to christianity because most of villages in kandhamal have christian majority....so the cold was is there from last 20 years when the converted christians pana's are claiming quota which is meant for hindu pana's and kondh tribe.....so these things will happen for centuries...A temporary solution would be to nab the culprits who killed swami lakshmananad who was a very popular social worker amongst the tribals...

Orissa killing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/953200.stm
If this is what happens when christians are minority, what will happen if they succeed in evangelisation of asia?
Already in the north-eastern states like assam and meghalaya, christians have become majority. and the missionaries are helping the naga militants by giving them money and in return they are terrorising the people to convert. The money collected from USA an Europe in the name of charity are utilised for these purposes.

God Forgive them!

God forgive them for what they've done.Dear Hindu Brothers,Why do you have a misconception about America and EU throwing money for religious conversions?Are they getting money along with its interests from God?or pls take a moment to think ,what benefit they have got, to convert you peolple?Do you have something better than what they have to give them in return if you are converted?Did you think about it Brother and I suppose the answer is NO NO NO!!So let me tell you that they are spending on underdeveloped and developing countries for their education,health,social services like orphanages,old age homes and a lot of other organisations(lot of reputed colleges schools hospitals which has been serving Indian community for decades and in which our Hindu Brothers must have utilised its benefits) the motive behind it is for the betterment of the people and as I said they dont get any profit for this but is a mere charity and dont think that somebody would convert you for charity sake.Now for the people who has been converted might either have been done by their own will or IF they are converted by showing a $100 why dont he take that and again jump back to Hinduism,so for the next season or for in the other city he can make money in the same way.Why do my Hindu Brothers worry for such acts of conversion cos these kind of converts are NOT STABLE,they'll come back.But for a true convert it cant be forcibly done as my Hindu Brothers think or neither can be bought with $.Dear Brothers you should be thankful to the westerners for the charitable works God has enabled them to do in India.Please dont discourage their efforts cos they are not going to react but GOD WILL FOR EVERYTHING THAT INDIA HAS DONE AGAINST HIS CHILDREN.Lets pray for the deliverance of the sin of mass killings in these places.Truly let them understand what love is and have freedom for their own way of worshipping the TRUE GOD.

Western opinion on India

Every life is equally important for Indians. It appears, for Westerners Christian lives are more important than others.

Misleading Article

you article is absolutely Misleading and giving a wrong information about the country . Christians having been forcefully converting people , which none of the media reports

Ignorent article.

First of all I will condemn any form of violence.

We Hindu’s do believe in freedom of religion, but don't believe in the concept of conversion. If you see the past of Bharat, we never had problem with Mughals ruling India till Aurangzeb started aggressive conversion. After Aurangzeb the mighty empire of Mughals was reduced to rubble. Britishers never pushed for conversion and they successfully ruled India for 150 Yrs. The missionaries are creating social unrest in the native trible population by exploiting the fissures of the native society.

The second problem is the pope himself who is the CEO of a multi-billion dollar missionary-conversion-industry. He creates problem when he announces to covert Asia after Europe and America as the land of Christ in the third millennia. In the over-zeal to convert India missionaries have gone over-board abusing the native religion of Hindu’s.

Killing of Swamy Lakshmana Nand by Christians was a last straw. What-ever the secular media cries, we all know the Swamy ji was killed by the Missionaries. The report presented here is factually incorrect, without keeping the local sensitivities in mind.

wat a stupid article

It seams you are only worried about the christians lives and don't care bout people of other religion.You christians have alredy killed millions of people in iraq,afganistan,palestine,pakistan and many more places in the name of freedom/religion.

The christians are printing books in india abusing hindu gods/godesses, don't you people have any shame. everyone knows the aim of the missionaries is not to server the poor but convert as you have done in many parts of world.

How many christian countries have a head of state of another religion???? india had in the past and still have its Prime minster from a minority religion.

Why you have mentioned extremist with hindus in the article and why not with the christians??? Since majority of population in india is hindu , in riots it would be always like more people will die from other religion.We should condemn the killings and deaths of both hindus and christians but it seams you are onlly conserned about christians though hindus have also died in the riots.

When you people are killing millions across the globe in the name of religion you just don't deserve or are in position to raise finger on hindus or india.

christian countries invests billions of dollars each year to convert people to Christianity, i don't understand the foolishness behind this.

why not a shout when millions muslims were killed by nato and its allies in different countries, mere death of 32 christians in riots is making you people piss in your pants.

Keep away from india , let leave the hindus alone, go and do your conversion and regular blasphemy of other religions in some other country.

India don't needs to prove its secular credentials to west or any other country.we have given much more rights to minorites in india then any other country and we even have provisions in our constitution.

vhp/bd are a shame

the right wing hinduism has a falsiied sense of history ,and has been white-washed to act like animals;the attacks on innocent christians have increased exponentially;the only way to stop this is to pressure the indian government to ban these vicious organisations,just like simi;only this can save india from disintegration

Truth about Christanity

I request europe to pull out all its activities of forcible conversions in India. People got proofs of forcible conversion and there is a book published "satya darsini" which described bad things about Hindu gods, its obvious that people will react. There is nothing like freedom of religion followed in India, churches are involved in forcible conversion by offering money at 90% conversions.

Its shame that france pointed out against the attacks, why dont they react against the persons who written the book (he is member of christian community) and also New life who are actively involved in conversion, things will automatically cool down when action taken against this new life prayer halls who are involved in forcible conversions.

Cant missionaries do good work without converting is my question, why cant they teach geeta and bible and let the pupils choose which is the best, why they straight away involved in conversion. Hinduism never do any forcible conversion, due to the atrocities of this missionaries these things are happening. Sitting at France no one knows the facts about the problems facing by Hindus in India.

I request leaders to take action against the new life churces as soon as possible as situation might go out of control, i myself seen my staff got converted when church offered him $100 dollars, well offering money and converting is bad and when its been reported in police station and india law will take 15 years to solve a single case, is it good for someone to wait such a long time to convict a person who did act of forcible conversion

As Christians we pray for God's mercy

As Christians where ever we are we only fast, pray and intercede for these people who kill, murder and shed innocent blood just for standing on their faith. May there be forgiveness for you all. We repent for your sins on your behalf and cry out for God's mercy upon everyone who plan and commit persecution. May the God of mercy and grace pour out His peace upon each and everyone who come against His children. Let mercy truimph over judgement in every state of India. SHALOME.

Why Dont Christians Leave Us Alone?

Christian...Please leave Hindus alone.
We Dont want to Enter the Christian kingdom of heaven.

Why dont you leave us alone.Please spare us.

We Dont want Jesus and your support.

The Hindu-side-of-the-story s NEVER told

The Hindu-side of the story is NEVER told!!

A clap cannot be produced with just one hand!!!

Christian missionaries published a very blasphemous book and PORNOGRAPHIC pictures of Hindu Gods and Goddess.

It is not a shocking thing because Chriatians in DENMARK were involved in publishing of blasphemous pictures of Prophet Mohammad.

If i start summarizing ALL the criminal offenses done by Christian priests, pending in Courts of various Indian states...you all will be Shocked..

Please DONT involve yourself in mud-slinging activity!!

Shame

This so-called news piece stems from ignorance, prejudice and is a bundle of half truths, semi truths and untruths.

Swami Lakshmananda was a 86 year old venerated saint who had been working among the tribals for the last 4 decades. He was killed on the night of a prominent Hindu festival, in front of his minor girl students. Not only was his killed, his body was mutiliated. Joining him among the dead were 4 other hermits, includes a 60 year old Hindu nun

The swami was targetted for he had been on the forefront of efforts against evangelicals and other proselytizers who are hell bent on harvesting us ignorant souls for Christ

Is it that the lives of we pagans are worthless that atrocities against us are not worth mentioning. Churches under various denominations are the biggest landholders after the Government and are extremely powerful. Money and missionary zeal has been feeding a decades long effort to convert the poor of my country

Why doesn't this 'news' report that many Hindu temples were also destroyed by Christian mobs and at least half of the total displaced population comprised of tribal hindus?

For Christ's sake, leave us alone to wallow in darkness. We don't need your efforts in saving us from hell

Shame

This so-called news piece stems from ignorance, prejudice and is a bundle of half truths, semi truths and untruths.

Swami Lakshmananda was a 86 year old venerated saint who had been working among the tribals for the last 4 decades. He was killed on the night of a prominent Hindu festival, in front of his minor girl students. Not only was his killed, his body was mutiliated. Joining him among the dead were 4 other hermits, includes a 60 year old Hindu nun

The swami was targetted for he had been on the forefront of efforts against evangelicals and other proselytizers who are hell bent on harvesting us ignorant souls for Christ

Is it that the lives of we pagans are worthless that atrocities against us are not worth mentioning. Churches under various denominations are the biggest landholders after the Government and are extremely powerful. Money and missionary zeal has been feeding a decades long effort to convert the poor of my country

Why doesn't this 'news' report that many Hindu temples were also destroyed by Christian mobs and at least half of the total displaced population comprised of tribal hindus?

For Christ's sake, leave us alone to wallow in darkness. We don't need your efforts in saving us from hell

ballance

I'm a Christian in another part of the world that sees prejudice and persecution dealt against Christians. I also love India deeply as I lived and worked in the Devon area of Chicago for 4 years. I would not want to see our borders closed to these wonderful folks because they can enrich our culture. I would like to mention in light of the comments above: (1) On behalf of those communities that have been persecuted at the hands of Christians in the past or present we are very sorry and ask your forgiveness for both violence and hypocrisy, Jesus did't teach us to kill in the name of God, but to turn the other cheek. (2) The Swami was killed by Maoists from the North, and the Maoists have accepted full responsilbity. (3) Christianity has always appealed to the poor and underpriviledged because it is a faith that equalizes - it is an upsidedown Kingdom. Just as Jesus did not "target" the poor, they were naturally attracted to Him because he stood up for them, valued them, healed them...Christians do not "target" the poor but stand up for them. We are commanded to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with out God. The God who did miracles in the past does them today, and this is very attractive to those who need help from God. Jesus said that for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God is like a camel walking through a needle's head...it's not impossible but it's very difficult because he does not feel that he "needs" God. He has too much to loose, the poor on the other hand have nothing to loose. This is why Christianity has been spreading like wildfire in this region.
(4) Historically, where there is persecution the church actually grows.

Perspective

Evidently, there was no clear evidence to identify the murderer of this guru. Does the Hindu mindset provide for limitless retaliation for a single death, even if there were evidence? Is it ever truly possible for ignorant people to escape the inclination to emotional reaction, apart from threats of punishment by government?

Christians and Jews die whenever the world is disturbed with its conditions and a lack of security in this present age. It is a fact. Sometimes their deaths are at the hands of others purporting to be Christian. Sometimes Christianity is twisted into a grotesque political system, and many suffer.

However, so long as it is viewed as a CRIME punishable by taking a life, to concert, or convince another of a spiritual message, there is no answer for India, and people will continue to die.

Where Bibles Are Burnt

Talk about extreme, most Americans could care less about India. As far as trying to take over India why would America want too? The land is over crowded, they worship cows, rats and idols. They hate America as much as muslims do. Christians come home those people are not worth your time, let them rot in their hate. One thing I don't understand about these people they hate America but they come over here to live in nice houses where there is penty of food and better wages. America needs to closed the door on these people.

Christ and Hinduism

As a Hindu and Indian, I am ashamed of this violence. Hinduism gives freedom to search for truth; some may choose to follow Christ. May the followers of Christ, who suffered due to these violent attacks, forgive those who persecuted them! It is amazing to see how these men and women of faith even willing to die for their faith in Christ – pray that every drop of innocent blood that was shed in India raise up men and women who live a life of Truth and Love like Yeshu (Jesus) - Sanathana Guru (Ancient Guru).

wrong idea

The case for persecution is the slavery issue, christians disagree with public eye agreement for marginising people from lover cast, it effects in slavery business profits. Slavery and cast differences are illegal in India, but some parites still lobby for that. They do nat want pariasi, or untouchables to be educated, to work and fight for thier rights, have families ttc. it effects slavery dominant money. That is the real issue.

Killings for Prosleytisation

To all the Hindus who say the killings are a natural reaction to the activities of the missionaries, is it then justified to start killing all the Hindu Yogis,gurus, and Hare Krishnas in the west who are propagating Hinduism?

christains and hindus

You people are totally ignorant about indian politics,i was born in india during the english rule ,my father was canadian during all the uprising and clashes between hindus s and muslims ,not one attack was directed against us christain,India is the most tolerable nation on releigion ,no other country has a record of tolerance as the indians,unfortunetly the B.J,Party are the perpertrators of this christain voilence,they sowing the seeds of discontent.they hate the congress party ,because it is the only party which has principles which tolerate religion no matter what faith.if the B.J.Party want votes it should refrain from ignorant patroism..congress is as much patrirotic as any other indians.and incidently your French founded school La Martiner still runs today as a christain school of excellent education since the late 1700 hundreds,and has never been attacked like the other christain schools in calcutta.

Orissa India

This article is clearly hateful when it say "The hatred stems from the extremist teachings of a Hindu guru named Swami Laxmananda Sarazwahti" . I suppose it is ok for Christians, financed by Western countries, to deride Hindus and Hinduism. It is ok to convert poor Hindus by inducements, bribes and coercion. It is ok to say that a Hindu swami is extremist, but that all Christians are loving. Christian history is full of violence when it tried to convert non believers into christianity. This violent streak of christianity is still manisfesting itself, when Christians murdered a Hindu Swami in cold blood. Interestingly, this article seems to condone christian violence against Hindus, but expects Hindus to just sit by while Christians slaughter them. It is time for Western churches to do true social service by helping the poor without forcing the poor to follow the bible. If Western churches cannot do that, that it is best they stay in the West and help those in need in the West.

opinion on your report

As a indian and a social work student i justify nor the communal violence neither the deeds of christian missonaries who are cohesively changing people into christianity.although it is said in every religion to spread their own religion but misguiding poor illiterate people is totally unacceptable.your report does not put light on who and why killed 4 vhp leaders?which lncited the communal violence and which led to the killing of 32 people.

Persecution and murder of Christians in Orissa, Bharat (INDIA)

It looks like the mask has finally fallen from the face of INDIA. What was falsely assumed to a tolerant country has now been exposed as one in which tolerance was never practiced. This opens up the fact the neither Gandhi nor Nehru had any effect on the thinking of the Indian people and that Gujerat proved that Muslims wwere being slaughtered while the police looked on. But added to that was the murder of the Australian missionary and his sons in Gujerat.

In Orissa the Christian minority had not ever been safe for the simple reason that they were in a precarious position. Now we are seeing the results of militant Hinduism and its assault on Christians. The murder of 32 Christians has opened the eyes of the world to the REAL INDIA where tolerance is not the norm. Perhaps it high time that the ussue is taken out in the open for all the world to see. India has been shorn of its image of so-called tolerance once and for all time.

The torments experienced by Christians in Orissa

It is very untenable that in the third millenium such practises against faith are still committed. Indeed, this is just the manifestation of wickedness and evil. Religion is something personal and should remain free from any violence. Let Christians respect Hinduist and Hinduist respect Christians also. In many cases, we do not choose or religion, we find ourselves introduced into it through family link and practices. There is tolerance needed in all human relationships and when it comes to matters of religion, any one should tolerate and accept that the other person has the freedom to believe or not to believe, to be Christian, Muslim, Hinduist or pagan. When violence enters into religious affairs, it is no more God who is sought, God is not in extremism. He does not oblige us to believe in Him and does not tie us by violence as to how to believe in Him. Let's be tolerant in religion.

Orissa Killings

Can anything, justify the mass homicide of 32 persons. How can these actions, go above the law. The conscience of the world has died.
The world, has more time, to discuss the Wall Street crash, than about people of some community losing their lives, in some remote part of India, just because they follow a particular faith. God Save this World.

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