Libyan rebels and diplomats who have fallen out with strongman Muammar Gaddafi have pleaded for it. But do no-fly zones work and can they help bring down the longstanding Libyan leader or prevent him from killing fellow Libyans?
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how can you stand by and watch innocent humans being killed like that. mr obama sir, sir you should do something to help the libyans . by force if neccessary
Don't the Americans and the Europeans have their own problems to take care of? They should stop patronising the Middle East with their "you need us to see the light" attitude and try to sneak in through the back door. This insults the intelligence of the people whose grievances are local and aspire for a better life for themselves and their children.They have started this, afford them the dignity to shape their own destiny. The West's past involment in that region was part of the problem. No fly zone, please.
To "Pacifist": Kadafi's air force is currently dropping bombs indiscriminately on opposition forces & civilian populations. Kadafi has promised to "go house to house" & "cleanse Libya by blood" if he prevails. I'd say the Libyan situation demands UN, NATO & US action to save civilian lives & prevent a terrorist bloodbath. I'd say it's beyond "self-defense." It rather falls under the category of "necessity defense": where a possibly criminal act (killing people in a civil war) is justified to prevent vastly greater suffering & death (the slaughter of thousands of civilians). Kadafi's mercenary air force is massacring civilians. They must be stopped. It's great to be a "pacifist." But check in on the real world, sometimes. It's not always pretty out there. And sometimes pacifism, regrettably, just doesn't cut it.
How a hell, can you recognise an opposition who no Libyans has vote for? how can you endorse and help an organisation who attaked an army base and stoolen arm, how can any of you gurantee that they will not execute 100 and 100`s of people as soon as they will get the power? have any independent organisation check what they are up to? so please not becuase we against Gadafi that we have to like the opposition, typical choice will be to create an atmosphere of general election; and see who will be the winner, only after that we can judge
at the end do any one know what is the historical compitition between the libians of east "Cyrénaïque", province and the east "Tripolitaine", who never accept a between as Gaddafi to rules them, and they now come back with there flags to take revanche, and now they made an agreemnet with " Islamic Combatant Group "(GICL), who also has a revanche to take on the bedoun Gadaffi.
So take your time and check, dont come here to cry later and said, why?, and who?
AN ANY CASE gaddafi should go, but it is not for the east to rules because New Libya belong to all and should be gouvernt by consesus. otherwise you will have new Iraq, east versus west and Fizan in the middle.
Suppose you try to activate a no fly zone, but you fail to deter the libyan air force. Will you shoot them down and possibly murder them?
If they survive and land safely will you take responsibility if they are burned alive by their captors?
And what does the phrase "because you don’t want civilian casualties”
mean? Do you plan to bomb their airfiels to prevent them from flying?
And than once you are involved will you try bombing convoys under one excuse or another (sometimes mistaking a wedding procession to military troops)?
And do you have any idea what the possible political outcome of your intervention will be?
There is only one justification for the use of force. SELF DEFENCE!
So far the events don't justify more than humanitarian aid.
S T A Y H O M E ! ! !
no fly zone should be implemented with immediate effect.we should be not be afraid of barbaric dictators. giving statements is not enough. all democracies should act immediately and make people free.they had enough of slavery and fear. thanks for recognition of rebel govt,it is a bold step. i value french effort for freedom.
Please do not call people who are fighting to become free from a dictator rebels. One calls people who want to overthrow a legitimate government rebels. They should be called freedom fighters !!!!! Please pass onto the freedom fighters commanders to use the same tactic's as the desert rats during the 2WW when the British used them as hit and run to soften the enemy and scare them also making them weak in the process. They attacK out of the desert by surprise. How do you fight a tank with another tank, how do you fight those who have better training, weapons than you with surprise tactic's The Cape of freedom.
Stay out of it. Just another quag mire to trap good people in. If the rebels want him out give him a way to go. Look at Egypt He left and now they won't let him leave the country, There is no pleasing everybody. So stay out. The USA is broke and can't afford another war let the USA spend money helping the quake victims.
Can anyone tell me what these are exactly? Are planes inside the presumably encircled zone not allowed out but can wreak havoc within their own area; and can planes outside do anything about this? If not - and I'm NOT advocating another invasion - what is the point of the whole thing? Help, please.
Gadhaffi and his supporters are happy now that the earthquake in Japan had diverted the attention of the UN from coming to the rescue of the suppressed Libyans. One thing is certain, history will never forgive the present UN body if they fail to stop this terrible massacre going on in Libya. Gadhaffi has reached his peak and the law of diminishing return and retributive justice must inevitably catch with him. He who lives by the sword must surely die by the sword.
The Libyan opposition has specifically requested a no-fly zone to stop Kadafi's air force from bombing oil fields & cities & prevent a humanitarian disaster. If NATO & the US military can carry out the Afghan & Iraq Wars & the CIA can carry out "targeted assassinations" of "suspected militants" in Pakistan, surely they can handle the logistics necessary to ground Kadafi's air force & level the playing field. As an American citizen, I find the White House's, the Sec. of State's, & the Sec. of Defense's obstruction of Britain, France & the EU's actions to establish a Libyan no-fly zone unconscionable & an affront to civil & human rights. By contrast, I almost admire French PM Sarkozy's resolve (as satirized by LeMonde) to bring down Kadafi all by himself, if necessary. A NATO & UN action, backed by the White House & US military, could stop Kadafi's mercenaries from carrying out his threats "to cleanse Libya by blood" & prevent a wholesale humanitarian disaster. While the White House, NATO & the UN wait, the Libyan opposition is suffering drastic losses and innocent civilians are dying. But that's nothing compared to what will happen if Kadafi retakes Libyan cities & starts a terrorist purge. The time for the White House, NATO & the UN to act is now. Further delay will only result in a bloodbath.
The argument that a no fly zone may not rid Libya of Gaddafi while valid in itself is a straw man since the purpose of the exercise would not be to achieve his demise so much as to prevent him from using his air-power against his own population.
But this raises the question of how being killed by a bomb dropped my a jet is so very different from being killed by a tank, and Gaddafi would seem to have a decided advantage in terms of armour, as well as in several other areas.
So what do we really hope to achieve? If the answer to that is to be found in some idea of protecting the civilian population then it is nothing short of naive to assume that they will be safe if we simply impose a flight ban.
The politically unpalatable truth is that if we are to avert large-scale slaughter then we have take an active but limited role in the struggle, and a no fly zone would be the first practical step. This should be accompanied by a demand that Gaddafi's troops do not leave their bases on pain of air strikes. This would represent a necessary and adequate adjunct strategy which would deliver the desired level of security to civilian populations.
And one more thing... if we wait too much longer our inaction will ensure that this issue resolves itself in the worst possible way.
A no fly zone is an act of war plain and simple. To institute a no fly zone, thereby reducing a sovereign nation state its air space is war. A nation or organization that meddles in another nations internal affairs is global tyranny. It is a worse act then the regime of Libyan leaders decades long rule for it will embolden the precedent we have implemented. To implement a nofly zone, ie launch a war, is ridiculous, are we now to monitor the affairs of every nation on the globe? In other words the organization has supreme authority of every government? EU and North Americas economy is in Turmoil, our Middle East expeditions/war begun based on lies has cost the EU and NA countless of lives as well as empty the coffers of our treasury.
It is most important for the Lybian people to complete this move ontheir own. If anyone else is involved, there wil be a sense of indebtedness. They can complete this transition on their own with renegade support that is not opiated by an official government.
no fly zone, no fly zone,no fly zone.... donkey years talking about it when people are perishing....china and rassia are happy when masses are surfering..... france go it olone
in releted to the conflict in libya, it very cruel to all the people who fight against gaddafi military because they are in great disadvantage against gaddafi military I pray to the lord help this people in libya.
from united kingdom.
while other countries are trying to work out the problems in Libya, our guy obamba worries about a kid in grammer school who is a bully
The United States should stay out of the civil war. Whoever wins will end up being our enemy anyways. Plus, we do not have the money, time, or the man power. I'm sick of war and I hope most other American are too.
A no-fly zone should be implemented immediately as recommended by Sarah Palin in February. Considering Libya has very weak defenses, communications jamming would be a breeze and fly overs would not have to be 24/7. No ground troops would be necessary.
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