As Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel work closely to overcome the eurozone crisis, France and the UK’s leaders seem increasingly at odds. But there may be more to the recent cross-channel bickering than differences over the euro.
We are still a major force in a variety of ways, but we no longer have the 'smack' to dictate.
The UK is in danger of breaking apart, thanks to the disastrous policies of the political bi party system over the last century, and within the first decade of this new century, things have hardly improved.
So When I see a deliberate, if covert, stab being visited on the Euro, by the gangster element running the financial City,I have to ask myself, why would anyone wish to destroy a currency, after all, the same currency principle operates in then federalised USA,yet I don't see a call for each state over there to have it's own money.
Keep in mind, a great number of people in Europe have never known any other currency, and as time passes, fewer and fewer of those who were familiar with the old currencies will be around to call for a return to what they used to know.
Are the 'new' Europeans to be forever afflicted with a constant alteration in the way they carry the cash in their pockets?
The truth is, the currency matter ONLY matters to the thieving gang that plays the stock and fiscal markets as they perpetually seek to maximise the cash in their off shore bank accounts, to the man in the street, payment in soap coupons or bottle tops is just as well as officially produced currency.
All the general public wants is the ability to pick up an item, and pay for it, the means of exchange is theoretically immaterial to the customer.
Thank you for this excellent article, which gives a very interesting angle on the supposed disagreements between Sarkozy & Cameron. None of the British press have picked up on the likelihood that both sides have probably exaggerated this disagreement for domestic political gain!
Certainly, Cameron has received considerable praise in the UK for standing up for British interests, in what was becoming a very dangerous situation for him - there had already been a big rebellion against him by MPs, and there was even talk of a leadership challenge to remove Cameron.
Whilst Sarkozy has succeeded in establishing Britain as the scapegoat for the eurozone problems. So both sides get what they want!
by LIttleEnglander (not verified) - 11/12/2011 - 11:42
good article, and no doubt both Sarkozy and Cameron will each have local reasons for why it suits them to be seen in conflict together. ..But there is an underlying truth...the entire EU project has evolved over time from a trading relationship (the Common Market or EEC as it was known) into the current EU. There is no evidence that ordinary people support this -in France, Germany, UK , or anywhere- or will ever be allowed to vote for the EU Project. That fundamental issue was always going come to a head, as is has on this issue. But it was always to going to happen unless there was an EU-wide agreement on setting up a United States of Europe.
Quite frankly a majority of EU national leaders appeared to have jumped on the bandwagon in a sort of hysteria. None, that I have heard of have asked their electorate's opinion.
So it beggars the question what happens when this new EU fiscal body starts to rule ? Any budgetary constraints demanded from Brussels are bound to aggrieve sections of the populace in subject nations who will ask what democratic process was operating which permitted these circumstances to come about.
It may look a loverly concept, but that is like the Euro it was all concept and no substance. It may not happen today, or even next year, but it will happen, ; Fiscal policy dictated by a body outside of one's own country and not subject to elective processes is doomed to fail. Indeed the only way it could work is for their to be a full political union with one government for the whole of Eurozone. As it stands it will lead to public unrest across Europe
So well done Mr Cameron for keeping us out of this impending mess
This only works to Mr Sarkozy's advantage if he actually does save the Euro. So far, nothing that's been proposed is capable of doing that. Quite possibly, had Merkel and Sarkozy been insisting on something that addressed the issues of debt, rather than the structure for a future they may not reach, Cameron might have been more willing to agree.
There's no point in sacrificing his political career for something which isn't going to work in any case.
Question is, once this EU federation gets going and Angela pays to keep the French AAA rating, who will own the French seat at the UN ? Will Angela tell Nicolas how to vote there ?
by Nick Howell (not verified) - 10/12/2011 - 13:40
Perhaps mainland Europeans now understands there is no visible line between British Government, most media and big business. This was once known as Fascism but now consider normal.
by Anonymejoseph walker (not verified) - 10/12/2011 - 11:50
What is the latest crap from our moronic politicans,I was always given to understand if you wanted to enter a club ,you had to be a member.Or be a guest visiting,but evidently, our morons in the European club have different rules .Now that is the definetion of crap. The EU club.
Little england, the Uk, great britain.whatever it wants to call its self. Who needs a country that at one time enslaved a third of the world and is now nothing but a shadow of its former self still trying to tell everyone what to do.
Sarkozy and Cameron ties questioned after euro row
As Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel work closely to overcome the eurozone crisis, France and the UK’s leaders seem increasingly at odds. But there may be more to the recent cross-channel bickering than differences over the euro.
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Greg says it like it is.
We are still a major force in a variety of ways, but we no longer have the 'smack' to dictate.
The UK is in danger of breaking apart, thanks to the disastrous policies of the political bi party system over the last century, and within the first decade of this new century, things have hardly improved.
So When I see a deliberate, if covert, stab being visited on the Euro, by the gangster element running the financial City,I have to ask myself, why would anyone wish to destroy a currency, after all, the same currency principle operates in then federalised USA,yet I don't see a call for each state over there to have it's own money.
Keep in mind, a great number of people in Europe have never known any other currency, and as time passes, fewer and fewer of those who were familiar with the old currencies will be around to call for a return to what they used to know.
Are the 'new' Europeans to be forever afflicted with a constant alteration in the way they carry the cash in their pockets?
The truth is, the currency matter ONLY matters to the thieving gang that plays the stock and fiscal markets as they perpetually seek to maximise the cash in their off shore bank accounts, to the man in the street, payment in soap coupons or bottle tops is just as well as officially produced currency.
All the general public wants is the ability to pick up an item, and pay for it, the means of exchange is theoretically immaterial to the customer.
Very interesting article!
Thank you for this excellent article, which gives a very interesting angle on the supposed disagreements between Sarkozy & Cameron. None of the British press have picked up on the likelihood that both sides have probably exaggerated this disagreement for domestic political gain!
Certainly, Cameron has received considerable praise in the UK for standing up for British interests, in what was becoming a very dangerous situation for him - there had already been a big rebellion against him by MPs, and there was even talk of a leadership challenge to remove Cameron.
Whilst Sarkozy has succeeded in establishing Britain as the scapegoat for the eurozone problems. So both sides get what they want!
it might be for bigger reasons....
good article, and no doubt both Sarkozy and Cameron will each have local reasons for why it suits them to be seen in conflict together. ..But there is an underlying truth...the entire EU project has evolved over time from a trading relationship (the Common Market or EEC as it was known) into the current EU. There is no evidence that ordinary people support this -in France, Germany, UK , or anywhere- or will ever be allowed to vote for the EU Project. That fundamental issue was always going come to a head, as is has on this issue. But it was always to going to happen unless there was an EU-wide agreement on setting up a United States of Europe.
Fiscal union
Quite frankly a majority of EU national leaders appeared to have jumped on the bandwagon in a sort of hysteria. None, that I have heard of have asked their electorate's opinion.
So it beggars the question what happens when this new EU fiscal body starts to rule ? Any budgetary constraints demanded from Brussels are bound to aggrieve sections of the populace in subject nations who will ask what democratic process was operating which permitted these circumstances to come about.
It may look a loverly concept, but that is like the Euro it was all concept and no substance. It may not happen today, or even next year, but it will happen, ; Fiscal policy dictated by a body outside of one's own country and not subject to elective processes is doomed to fail. Indeed the only way it could work is for their to be a full political union with one government for the whole of Eurozone. As it stands it will lead to public unrest across Europe
So well done Mr Cameron for keeping us out of this impending mess
Sarkozy and Cameron ties questioned after euro row
This only works to Mr Sarkozy's advantage if he actually does save the Euro. So far, nothing that's been proposed is capable of doing that. Quite possibly, had Merkel and Sarkozy been insisting on something that addressed the issues of debt, rather than the structure for a future they may not reach, Cameron might have been more willing to agree.
There's no point in sacrificing his political career for something which isn't going to work in any case.
United States of Europe
Question is, once this EU federation gets going and Angela pays to keep the French AAA rating, who will own the French seat at the UN ? Will Angela tell Nicolas how to vote there ?
Cameron
Perhaps mainland Europeans now understands there is no visible line between British Government, most media and big business. This was once known as Fascism but now consider normal.
neutral6@hotmail.com
sarkozy is doing a great job
European Union
What is the latest crap from our moronic politicans,I was always given to understand if you wanted to enter a club ,you had to be a member.Or be a guest visiting,but evidently, our morons in the European club have different rules .Now that is the definetion of crap. The EU club.
who needs the uk
Little england, the Uk, great britain.whatever it wants to call its self. Who needs a country that at one time enslaved a third of the world and is now nothing but a shadow of its former self still trying to tell everyone what to do.