Some 130 French parliamentarians have lodged an appeal with the country’s constitutional court to overturn a controversial bill that would criminalise denying that the 1915 mass killing of Armenians in Turkey was genocide.
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It is the revisionist and false to extend it backwards in time to assign guilt to various powers of prior eras in which what we call genocide was a common part of warfare or any conflict between two nations.
WWI was the last war of an era marked by many "genocides" if we accept the term is appropriate for the conflict between Armenians and Turks.
A great example is the Irish Potato, which famine fits the definition of genocide almost perfectly.
British politicians of the day speak derisively about the Irish and the need to eliminate the "Irish" problem, which meant the Irish people, not just the Irish resistance.
Towards this goal, the British instituted various trade policies and restrictions that ensured mass famine when the potato crops began to fail.
The British refused to send aid, and via economic policy prevented other entities from providing the aid
The result was millions of Irish people dead.
Yet the British aren't accused of genocide, hmmm.
The concept of genocide is a recent invention, and meant primarily to define what happened to Jews during world war II in which otherwise loyal non-military civilian citizens were targeted for extermination simply because they were Jewish.
Gypsies were similarly persecuted.
Other ethnic/religious groups also died in the millions, yet those deaths are NOT included in the charges against the German perpetrators as part of the genocide, because it was in the context of a war between nations - the Germans vs. the Poles vs. the Russians vs. the British vs. the French and so on.
The conflict between the Turks and Armenians fits into the latter category.
It was a direct result of war.
Had there been no war, Armenians would not have been the victims of this, because they would never have picked up arms against the dying Ottoman empire at the urging of the French.
Most certainly what the Turks did was harsh, but it was an extension of WWI, a war noted for barbarity and futile mass death.
If Turkey is guilty of genocide, than both sides in WWI are equally guilty considering the # of dead that was often justified by with near identical military reasoning the Turks used in their war with the Armenians in their failed war of independence.
Turkey is genocidal country that will continue to kill their own people.
The French Historian Gaston Gaillard published a book titled “ (Les Turcs et l’Europe) – The Turks and Europe” by the publishing house Chapelot in 1920. This book was never published again. Why? There he describes in detail what we can summarize “the plan to drive Turks to Asia”. The book gives fresh and independent accounts of Ottoman-Armenian problem as part of the Eastern Problem. In the following years the Allied Powers (France, England) continued their efforts and caused this problem to get bigger. French people must ask themselves as to why there are 600,000 electorates of Armenian origin in France. Is it because France has borders with Armenia? I don’t think too many French politicians have given any thought to that.
YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO THE ARMENIANS
I don’t think they have read the book of Justin McCarthy (“Death and Exile”) or the documents “Archives des Affaires Etrangères de France, Levant, Arménie. 1918-1919” mentioned in this book. France which had occupied Cilicia, the south-central part of Turkey had lured/cheated the Armenians from November 1, 1918 onwards promising them an Armenian state in that occupied region. First France set up army troops made up of Armenian volunteers. Later 200,000 more Armenians arrived from USA, Egypt, Syria and France lured by this promise and an Armenian legion was established reporting to the French Eastern Legion. This special legion was given French army uniforms and weaponry. (Earlier the Czarist Russia had acted the same way in 1914-1915 in Eastern Anatolia) The said army legion carried out immense massacres which continued until 1921. The local people still describe these (for France shameful) days as “Kaç-Kaç” (“Run-Run”) period of the region. The French should ask the famous writer Yaşar Kemal who grew up in that region and is among the most selling writers in France!
On October 20, 1921 France and the new Parliament in Ankara signed a peace agreement and French troops withdrew to Syria and Lebanon and took 50,000 Armenians with them. Following this the remaining Armenians left behind out in the open went to Syria first and then to Lebanon and then to France. This is the story behind the 600,000 electorates of Armenian origin in France today still yearning the land promised by France!
Now I am asking you: who will apologize to whom, Mr. Sarkozy? Shouldn’t France apologize to the Armenians deceived by France? Shouldn’t France apologize to the families of Turkish descendants massacred by the Armenians brought in by the French, dressed in French army uniforms using French guns? When shall France who describes the benefits of colonialism in its school books today face up to its own history? Of course, without distorting historical facts and the history of Turkey and without selling itself and Turkey!
Turkey needs to come to term with its history, as Germany has done.
Turkey should not be forced to accept a theory which has not yet been proven in any just way (i.e.careful consideration of both sides of the argument). Particularly as there is ample evidence to prove that the Turks have a point well worth considering! For example, at the end of WWI, the Allies and the Armenians had their big chance of proving their theory of the events of 1915.The Ottoman Archives were in the hands of the Allies for four (4) years after the war. They had ample time to examine the archives of the Ottoman government, and they did examine them. They found no evidence to support their charges.
All the time Turks killed some nations, others did not kill Turks in wars, generally Turks suiciding themself :), i bored thsese lies and really i dont care about stupid law in france or eu. We are not in eu and WE DONT WANT, we aint ASIA
A truer version of 1915: "Who do the French think they're kidding? They committed genocide in Algeria (they murdered over one million Algerians), had a role in the genocide of the Native Americans, had a role in the slave trade, had a role in the genocide in Rwanda, etc. Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University on C-SPAN at the National Press Club in Washington, DC: ? This is a question of definition and nowadays the word "genocide" is used very loosely even in cases where no bloodshed is involved at all and I can understand the annoyance of those who feel refused. But in this particular case, the point that was being made was that the massacre of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire was the same as what happened to Jews in Nazi Germany and that is a downright falsehood. What happened to the Armenians was the result of a massive Armenian armed rebellion against the Turks, which began even before war broke out, and continued on a larger scale. Great numbers of Armenians, including members of the armed forces, deserted, crossed the frontier and joined the Russian forces invading Turkey. Armenian rebels actually seized the city of Van and held it for a while intending to hand it over to the invaders. There was guerilla warfare all over Anatolia. And it is what we nowadays call the National Movement of Armenians Against Turkey. The Turks certainly resorted to very ferocious methods in repelling it. There is clear evidence of a decision by the Turkish Government, to deport the Armenian population from the sensitive areas which meant naturally the whole of Anatolia. Not including the Arab provinces which were then still part of the Ottoman Empire. There is no evidence of a decision to massacre. On the contrary, there is considerable evidence of attempt to prevent it, which was not very successful. Yes there were tremendous massacres, the numbers are very uncertain but a million nay may well be likely. The massacres were carried out by irregulars, by local villagers responding to what had been done to them and in number of other ways. But to make this, a parallel with the holocaust in Germany, you would have to assume the Jews of Germany had been engaged in an armed rebellion against the German state, collaborating with the allies against Germany. That in the deportation order the cities of Hamburg and Berlin were exempted, persons in the employment of state were exempted, and the deportation only applied to the Jews of Germany proper, so that when they got to Poland they were welcomed and sheltered by the Polish Jews. This seems to me a rather absurd parallel.".
turkey makes kurd genocide todat also.turkey uses napalm and chemical bombs easily to kill kurd people.but the west countries only show.5-10 kurd gentilmen are killed in every day by turk troops and racist polices.every week 100-200 kurd literates are been prisoned without any justice.todat the total of prisoned kurd is about 100000.most of them are politicians, parliamentariens,mayors,professors, teachers,lawyers,journalists,students and childeren.turkey has been a 'şeriat'country like iran.erdoğan is a dictator.erdoğan congratulated chief of staff rather than sorry when 34 kurd childeren are killed by turk air strict near the bourd of irakien kurdistan bourd.
I am sorry, this law was not correct, I have right to agree or disagree with the history, this is my freedom in France, France who gave the World democracy can not go back to middle ages and put person in jail for what they belive in, armenians should take their fight ti Turks and leave our democracy alone, armenia controled by 5 person Mafia type individuals and Turks have this arrogant leader Erdogan, but we in France have the oldest Democracy, and we really do not care what happaned 100 years ago,all Armenians and Turks are guests in our country but not here to change our freedom of speech.
For many admirers of France and President Sarkozy the 130 French legisltors ,who appealed against the proposed law,are a standing disgrace to the very culture and civilisation of Europe.
If we let this bill disappear within the EUROPEAN UNION then we are not considered human beings and don’t deserve any luggeries in life.
Turkey murdered innocent Armenians, Greeks, Kurdish and Other ethnic minorities including woman and children. (1.5 Armenians, 500k+ Greeks and so on.) Do you really think that Turkey provided a citizenship and papers to ethnic minorities in their own country? NO, they did not. Why, because they don't want them to exist and removing them is very easy if they are not accounted for.
Turkey is the mother of fascism, racism and barbarism. They were one of the first nations on earth to commit genocide and it has been tolerated by the world for too long. If Turkish officials don’t admit the crime, then they are just as guilty as those that committed it. I feel too embarrassed to even mention the other stuff they committed in the 21 century. It is that bad and shame full.
Don’t give into thuggish pressure from Turkey, they are the land of the low mentality. The only know how to destroy.
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