France's new Women's Rights Minister Najat Vallaud-Belkacem's stated mission is to start the eradication of prostitution in France by pushing tough legislation against their clients. Some sex workers and police officers see things differently.
I am for the abolition and especially to enforce the law against clients as it is done in America. If laws in France were respected, It can lead to a better life for all ! Unfortunately, I am very doubtful. France creates laws that nobody respects, as it is for smoking in the bars, civil rights protection, consumer rights, etc. Everything belongs to the government anyway and they would not do anything that will cut their earnings through taxes and their participation (like the subventions) in all businesses!
the minister obviously want to change the image of french to the world, but everyone had correlated french with prostitution
therefore unless change the frenchman;s attitude toward women , how she is going to change the prostitution system ?????
As an American who loves France and especially Paris I have to comment on this. You are now experiencing what we have been living with for 200 years, that is hipocracy,on the one hand politicians say they are for human rights or womens rights or whatever but in reality they have no respect for said rights !
by Sadiq Alsaffar (not verified) - 28/06/2012 - 10:30
Good luck to you!!! the new minister want's to eradicate the oldest proffession on earth which may 7000 years old proffession. I can only say good luck to you again
She is the Women's Rights Minister doing her best to take away women's rights, how naive! She should have learned the meaning of the words before she ran for office. Or maybe this is her version of Women's rights in her very narrow view, you can't have it both way's my dear? Prohibition has always failed because it comes from the busybodies of this world like Najat sticking their nose in the middle of the desires of the public where it does not belong, she might consider charging for that service?
"Also, 'paying for sex to become illegal', the naive minister doesnt realize that all men do, one way or the other."
So this is an excuse to legitimate our sexual exploitation? Is it the right way to see women? Afterwards,men wish us to love them,get revolted when the divorce rate increases...The minister is wrong indeed: we need more campains to educate women to stop seeing ourselves as sexual objects,to stop see men as "good and inocent" once as you say,they all pay for sex,they all see us as commodities.If we start to be educated this way,cruel commentslike the ones here deffending prostitution would be suitable for punishment,not considered "opinions" like we see today.It´s atotal lack of empath admit that such partice is "natural" to certain women and some "choose" such carrier.Give good job oportunities and good education to women and tell me if she will prefer to be payed to get raped.I am sure the pro-prostituion comments here were made by men.
Re the offensive comment made by "Brad" you are then suggesting that if all men "Pay" for sex "One way or another" that all women are therefore prostituting themselves. This is a very typical blinkered misogynist comment. You reduce all relationships to that of prostitute/client because there is dinner before the event or presents/nights out/holidays during the relationship. Women are also capable of generosity and gifting men during relationships, or paying their own way..and they do. Gay men and lesbians also shell out to 'woo' a partner...and both partners in a relationship who are financially capable of it will buy gifts or pay for certain things for each other. Your attitude is one that belongs on the set of 'Mad Men'.
Prostitution will never go away and the french are having a laugh by suggesting that they can make it do so. Their parisian tourist industry is surrounded by a Benny Hill fug of semi naked women being chased from venue to venue by daft tourists that want to see the Moulin Rouge etc or visit Montmartre and gawp at the prostitutes...there are posters all over the place for "Sexy" nights at night clubs "Wet t shirt and naughty nurse" competitions and I have no doubt the usual lap-dancing clubs for slavering men exist. An atmosphere where prostitution will flourish so if you want to eradicate the one you will have to eradicate all, which aint going to happen. Best get a grip and root out the people that exploit and abuse women and make sure that your laws protect these women rather than victimise them.
Everyone who worked with prostitutes and every studies in europe about prostitution say the same thing, besides the psychological mindfield prostitutes find themself in, the biggest problem faced by thoses women, and the more discreet men in this trade, is violence and marginalization. Violence from criminal gangs, violence from some customers, violence from the police in some cases. Everyone knows that this violence is enhanced by, if not generated by, marginalization. How can you complain of violence when your activity is not legal? When the minister for women's right in effect tags you as the source of the problem and thus denies you any chances to access any civil rights?
Why is prostitution a problem? Objectively the problems are with human trafficking, with pimps, with drug addiction. All thoses problems that made some people very vunerable, all thoses problems made 10 times worst by penalizing prostitution itself.
I found the minister proposition very symptomatic of a popular discourse that almagate prostitution itself with the criminal activities generated by its very grey status in the french law. There is also a brand of moral conservatism, very popular with middle class women, that sees prostitution has a moral disgrace and wants to save those "poor women". Prostitution is not always a choice, and when it was a choice it is not always easy to get out of it when people wants to. What the minister should do is work for people in the sex trade to have better rights, better medical access, better police protection when they testify against violence.
How cute of the minister to go after the prostitutes working the street and the lower type of customers, when the more organized gangs and wealthy customers do their bussiness behind close doors. At least her fellow MP have no risk of being bothered.
Prostitution is not per se reprehensible or morally bad. Notwithstanding many women are forced to prostitute themselves there is no denying that many other women or men freely choose to do so. Consequently, rather than ban the prostitution as a whole, government should try to eradicate forced prostitution and ensure that the free prostitutes may continue to have this activity. The Minister's position is both erroneous and simplistic. As usual France is willing to tackles an issue with the help of the sole prohibition whereas other avenues do exist. Just look at other European countries. Some of them, admitting that it is impossible to eradicate prostitution, have chosen to regulate rather than ban it.
I don't agree with the Minister. She shouldn't put all her efforts into "trying to make prostitution disappear". She should, in fact, work very hard towards making pimps disappear; make trafficking of women disappear and ensure that the prostitutes are protected by the law and be given frequent health checks. She'll never succeed in making prostitution disappear, she'll only enforce it to go underground.
My spouse and I stumbled over here coming from a different web page and thought I may as well check things out. I like what I see so now i’m following you. Look forward to looking at your web page for a second time.
Najat Vallaud-Belkacem amazes me. Eradicate prostitution? It will simply disappear and thereafter be unmeasurable. Not only that but the tax it currently brings in will go. Prostitutes will not feel able to seek medical help and disease will increase as a result. Not only that but careers of any who even stray once or twice will be at risk. Why is it that left wing governments always want ever more control of the population?
Being from Canada, I find this most interesting and amusing. In the perfect world, we would not need prostitution. I thought the French would be the first to admit this and decrimminalize it. Its easier for women to find sex, more difficult for a man. Also, 'paying for sex to become illegal', the naive minister doesnt realize that all men do, one way or the other.
About the final comment made by the policeman (Asked about the possibility of totally eradicating prostitution he said: “Do we really need to punish these poor women more?") - this is not about punishing prostitutes, 90% of which are exploited human beings...this proposal, as hopeless as it is, is about changing mindsets, making johns realise that they are doing is not conducting just any transaction, it is one that should be considered criminal in that it puts money into an exploitative criminal system.
French minister wants prostitution to 'disappear'
France's new Women's Rights Minister Najat Vallaud-Belkacem's stated mission is to start the eradication of prostitution in France by pushing tough legislation against their clients. Some sex workers and police officers see things differently.
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Prostitution
Europeans are too uptight about sex & prostitution. Here in USA, many states are planning to legalize brothels and prostitution.
We already have legal brothels in Nevada.
prostitution in France ?
I am for the abolition and especially to enforce the law against clients as it is done in America. If laws in France were respected, It can lead to a better life for all ! Unfortunately, I am very doubtful. France creates laws that nobody respects, as it is for smoking in the bars, civil rights protection, consumer rights, etc. Everything belongs to the government anyway and they would not do anything that will cut their earnings through taxes and their participation (like the subventions) in all businesses!
minister and prostitution
the minister obviously want to change the image of french to the world, but everyone had correlated french with prostitution
therefore unless change the frenchman;s attitude toward women , how she is going to change the prostitution system ?????
Prostitution is LAWFUL. There
Prostitution is LAWFUL.
There is no role for guvment to try and declare a LAWFUL activity as "illegal" and then try to criminalise LAWFUL activities.
prostitution to disappear
It is good for everyone ... good for the family ... good for france ... good for europe ... good for the world
Prostitution
How does she feel about gravity?
Outlawing prostitution in France?
As an American who loves France and especially Paris I have to comment on this. You are now experiencing what we have been living with for 200 years, that is hipocracy,on the one hand politicians say they are for human rights or womens rights or whatever but in reality they have no respect for said rights !
French prostitutes’ organisations on Sunday heaped scorn on the
Good luck to you!!! the new minister want's to eradicate the oldest proffession on earth which may 7000 years old proffession. I can only say good luck to you again
Prostitution
She is the Women's Rights Minister doing her best to take away women's rights, how naive! She should have learned the meaning of the words before she ran for office. Or maybe this is her version of Women's rights in her very narrow view, you can't have it both way's my dear? Prohibition has always failed because it comes from the busybodies of this world like Najat sticking their nose in the middle of the desires of the public where it does not belong, she might consider charging for that service?
Prostitution
At first I thought they wanted to abolish politicians
Happy about reading this!
"Also, 'paying for sex to become illegal', the naive minister doesnt realize that all men do, one way or the other."
So this is an excuse to legitimate our sexual exploitation? Is it the right way to see women? Afterwards,men wish us to love them,get revolted when the divorce rate increases...The minister is wrong indeed: we need more campains to educate women to stop seeing ourselves as sexual objects,to stop see men as "good and inocent" once as you say,they all pay for sex,they all see us as commodities.If we start to be educated this way,cruel commentslike the ones here deffending prostitution would be suitable for punishment,not considered "opinions" like we see today.It´s atotal lack of empath admit that such partice is "natural" to certain women and some "choose" such carrier.Give good job oportunities and good education to women and tell me if she will prefer to be payed to get raped.I am sure the pro-prostituion comments here were made by men.
prostitution in France
LEGALIZED PROSTITUTION!!!!
Re the offensive comment made
Re the offensive comment made by "Brad" you are then suggesting that if all men "Pay" for sex "One way or another" that all women are therefore prostituting themselves. This is a very typical blinkered misogynist comment. You reduce all relationships to that of prostitute/client because there is dinner before the event or presents/nights out/holidays during the relationship. Women are also capable of generosity and gifting men during relationships, or paying their own way..and they do. Gay men and lesbians also shell out to 'woo' a partner...and both partners in a relationship who are financially capable of it will buy gifts or pay for certain things for each other. Your attitude is one that belongs on the set of 'Mad Men'.
Prostitution will never go away and the french are having a laugh by suggesting that they can make it do so. Their parisian tourist industry is surrounded by a Benny Hill fug of semi naked women being chased from venue to venue by daft tourists that want to see the Moulin Rouge etc or visit Montmartre and gawp at the prostitutes...there are posters all over the place for "Sexy" nights at night clubs "Wet t shirt and naughty nurse" competitions and I have no doubt the usual lap-dancing clubs for slavering men exist. An atmosphere where prostitution will flourish so if you want to eradicate the one you will have to eradicate all, which aint going to happen. Best get a grip and root out the people that exploit and abuse women and make sure that your laws protect these women rather than victimise them.
Is it prostitution or criminal gangs the problem?
Everyone who worked with prostitutes and every studies in europe about prostitution say the same thing, besides the psychological mindfield prostitutes find themself in, the biggest problem faced by thoses women, and the more discreet men in this trade, is violence and marginalization. Violence from criminal gangs, violence from some customers, violence from the police in some cases. Everyone knows that this violence is enhanced by, if not generated by, marginalization. How can you complain of violence when your activity is not legal? When the minister for women's right in effect tags you as the source of the problem and thus denies you any chances to access any civil rights?
Why is prostitution a problem? Objectively the problems are with human trafficking, with pimps, with drug addiction. All thoses problems that made some people very vunerable, all thoses problems made 10 times worst by penalizing prostitution itself.
I found the minister proposition very symptomatic of a popular discourse that almagate prostitution itself with the criminal activities generated by its very grey status in the french law. There is also a brand of moral conservatism, very popular with middle class women, that sees prostitution has a moral disgrace and wants to save those "poor women". Prostitution is not always a choice, and when it was a choice it is not always easy to get out of it when people wants to. What the minister should do is work for people in the sex trade to have better rights, better medical access, better police protection when they testify against violence.
How cute of the minister to go after the prostitutes working the street and the lower type of customers, when the more organized gangs and wealthy customers do their bussiness behind close doors. At least her fellow MP have no risk of being bothered.
Simplistic position
Prostitution is not per se reprehensible or morally bad. Notwithstanding many women are forced to prostitute themselves there is no denying that many other women or men freely choose to do so. Consequently, rather than ban the prostitution as a whole, government should try to eradicate forced prostitution and ensure that the free prostitutes may continue to have this activity. The Minister's position is both erroneous and simplistic. As usual France is willing to tackles an issue with the help of the sole prohibition whereas other avenues do exist. Just look at other European countries. Some of them, admitting that it is impossible to eradicate prostitution, have chosen to regulate rather than ban it.
Prostitution - oldest profession in the world.
I don't agree with the Minister. She shouldn't put all her efforts into "trying to make prostitution disappear". She should, in fact, work very hard towards making pimps disappear; make trafficking of women disappear and ensure that the prostitutes are protected by the law and be given frequent health checks. She'll never succeed in making prostitution disappear, she'll only enforce it to go underground.
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My spouse and I stumbled over here coming from a different web page and thought I may as well check things out. I like what I see so now i’m following you. Look forward to looking at your web page for a second time.
Eradicating prostitution
Najat Vallaud-Belkacem amazes me. Eradicate prostitution? It will simply disappear and thereafter be unmeasurable. Not only that but the tax it currently brings in will go. Prostitutes will not feel able to seek medical help and disease will increase as a result. Not only that but careers of any who even stray once or twice will be at risk. Why is it that left wing governments always want ever more control of the population?
Outlawing prostitution in France?
Being from Canada, I find this most interesting and amusing. In the perfect world, we would not need prostitution. I thought the French would be the first to admit this and decrimminalize it. Its easier for women to find sex, more difficult for a man. Also, 'paying for sex to become illegal', the naive minister doesnt realize that all men do, one way or the other.
About the final comment made
About the final comment made by the policeman (Asked about the possibility of totally eradicating prostitution he said: “Do we really need to punish these poor women more?") - this is not about punishing prostitutes, 90% of which are exploited human beings...this proposal, as hopeless as it is, is about changing mindsets, making johns realise that they are doing is not conducting just any transaction, it is one that should be considered criminal in that it puts money into an exploitative criminal system.